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Hmm... Dehler's at the top of his list...and he owns one...
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Ok T, on Dehler, and my personal research / comments are limited to boats built in the last 10 years classfied as crusier/racer, racer/cruiser, performance cruiser, etc - something that is fun to day sail, and race, vacation for a weekend or week, have a comfortable and warm interior, and capable of offshore use (as a Bermuda race is always on my mind), Dehler is at the top of the list, followed by X Yachts and Finngulf. I really like these boats, especially to what is offered in design and build by the US companies. Dehler is not a wedge sled but more of a perfoamnce cruiser, with a design that is heavily weighted to sailing being the first priority and accomodation being second, these are sailboats, not dock condos, but are very comfortable boats, and sail like they are on rails.

I have sailed both the 2003 D34 and a 2001 D36, and I have been on the D39; the D36 is a smaller 39 versus a larger 34, has a waterline of most 39 ft boats, and in my opinion just a great boat, both Mechele and I really loved the boat, it has great performance, it will roll a D39 in light air, it is a real sailboat, but is also a comfortable cruiser, as Mechele would say a 'wine and cheese boat you can entertain on". We decided on the D33 as it was just sitting in Chicago, the boat was sailed to the US from Finland and as far as we know the only one here, no one wanted her, the tiller was a deal killer for most and the narrow beam, and as this was our first boat we wanted something smaller than the 36 and I decided on 'older' so I could beef-up my boat ownership skills and not worry with a more used boat. Both the D36 and D39 are well proven in Europe and it is a shame they are not more popular here.

I will send you a PM with my contact info and I can share more specific details if you are interested. Additionally, there is a demo D36 tri-cabin for sale, she is currently moored about 30 min outside Chicago, you should check-out the boat, it is basically new, contact me and I'll give you the details.
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Great ideas guys, keep 'em coming. I like the C&C's alot.

Max- I'll give you a call. I'd like to see the one for sale in Chicago. I will be back in town in a couple weeks.

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Not sure how comfortable you want to be, but in your range there are three boats that are very competitive around the bouys, and range from nice camping to comfort.

J 109 is a very nice upgrade to the J105. The 105 is a more stripped out boat, and the 109 a little nicer. Not going to be as comfortable as your current boat.

Bene 36.7 and Bene 40.7 are very nice boats, big class racers, and fast.
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I didn't recommend one for you since your sailing skills aren't up to handling one yet. Maybe after a few years on this next boat of yours.
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Great ideas guys, keep 'em coming. I like the C&C's alot.

Max- I'll give you a call. I'd like to see the one for sale in Chicago. I will be back in town in a couple weeks.

"Hmm... Dehler's at the top of his list...and he owns one... "

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How much crew do you have? That is a limiting factor to boats in that size range when racing.

C&C99 average around 102PHRF is nice inside - requires 7 crew to race. Most of the laregr boats are upwards from there in requirements.

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I'd throw in a catamaran suggestion or two, but I'm a little concerned about what would be suggested back.

Besides, we don't PRHF, we sail.
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How much crew do you have? That is a limiting factor to boats in that size range when racing.

C&C99 average around 102PHRF is nice inside - requires 7 crew to race. Most of the laregr boats are upwards from there in requirements.

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My current club racing is all non-spinnaker so crew size is less of an issue. If I decide to jump into some bigger races with a new boat, shouldn't have much trouble picking up crew. Most of the time we race with 2-3, but requires me to do a lot more running than I would prefer. (It's tough being the main, genny trimmer and the bowman. Some how it used to be easier a few years ago!)
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How about a C&C 35 ,,,will have to give a little on the phrf to 127 but makes it up on crusing comfort that a j boat does not have
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A couple of others that may work, if not mentioned yet.

Farr 1020, supposed to be one of his favorites, and cruised for awhile with his family. There is one of these in our fleet that is pretty nice.

Mumm 36, altho it may be a bit more sparten that you may like.


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everyone can laugh but take a look at jeanneaus - great cruisers and can make of go of it as they will step out - and the misses will enjoy the cabin and all it has to offer - as we all know if you want the family around the admiral has to be taken care of
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