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Weight alone isn't any indicator of seaworthiness. If the weight is in the wrong location, it could make a boat far less seaworthy. Imagine two boats, with identically shaped hulls.

One is made using vacuum-infusion, kevlar, carbon fiber, and e-glass cloth and roving and foam-cored construction, the other is made up using a chopper gun, CSM, hand layup and regular fiberglass roving. Everything else is the same... amount of ballast, rigging, etc. One will be far lighter and stronger than the other, and in fact the lighter boat will probably the far more seaworthy. The chopper gun boat, with the solid laminate deck, will have a far higher center of gravity and a much lower righting moment than the same design built using a foam-cored deck, which will be lighter and stiffer than a solid laminate deck.

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I looked at the new Hunter 45 last night. Sweet boat, something one person could handle. But at 300K plus some for a standard model??? After you started upgrading from the 75 hp and a couple other items than began purchasing your electronics and gadgets..... That hypothetical budget of 200K is blown out of the water.
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I am awaiting detailed specs and more interior and exterior photos of this boat. Do any of you more experienced sailors reconize what type of boat she is and if she is one that can be single handed. I cannot tell if the lines lead to the cockpit.

miami.craigslist.org/brw/boa/751988417.html]Get]craigslist online community[/url] a Steal on This 39' Steel Hull Sailboat 1982

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I'd be wary of a "steal" on a steel hulled boat. Corrosion never sleeps, and an improperly maintained steel boat is likely to rust from the inside out. Even a tiny leak on a steel boat can become a huge problem. Leading the lines aft is the least of your worries if you are serious about the boat. If you do decide to inquire further, you'll want to have a surveyor that knows steel boats working with you.

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I've been on this boat. run, run like the wind....
I won't go into it here, but it has much-o problem-o's

We are not primarily on earth to see through one another, but to see one another through

Some people are like slinkies: not really good for anything... but you can't help laughing when you push them down the stairs
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I've been on this boat. run, run like the wind....
I won't go into it here, but it has much-o problem-o's

Thank you very much for the fair warning and saving my time regarding this one. I will steer clear.
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Thanks CP... Didn't realize you'd already been aboard that particular boat...but cheap steel boats are generally no bargain.

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Here are a few general questions for all of you out there.

1. What types of boats in your opinions are the smoothest sailing (comfortable) boats?

2. What gadgets/electronics are in your opinion a must?

3. What gadgets/electronics are in your wish list.

4. What are your opinions regarding what composes the best hull material (composit, wood, steel, fiberglass).

I tried this thread elsewhere and it took a 180 degree turn from where it was intended. Hopefully it stays on track here. Not that anyone was being foul or facetious there as they were all truly genuine in their responses.
I am generally the "other" opinion.

1.

Unless you are about 100% sure you are going offshore, and I mean a stretch that would exceed 5 days or more at sea, the you will be the most comfortable on a production-type boat. My strong preference is Catalina, Jeauneau, and Beneteau - in that order. You get more room and creature comforts. They are not designed to go around the world, but instead to be comfortable for coastal and island hopping. I see people all the time buying bullet proof shoe boxes that they do not spend much time on because the boats are uncomfortable.

If your intention is to cross the Atlantic or other long distance travels, the production boat is not the best choice. If your budget is under 200kish, we found the best boats for both liveability and seaworthiness were the Tayana 42's and Passport 40's. Cannot comment on the speed of the Passport, but the Tayana 42 is solid (at 37,000 lbs dry) and will take a beating. It is a tank - and moves like one. Most of these types of boats are slow, which means unless you are in some nice winds, you will be motoring everywhere.

2. Chartplotter, dsc VHF, radar, ssb, water maker, ICE MAKER (not mentioned, but as a liveaboard you will love it), wind-depth-speed, autopilot, EPIRB, Liferaft, nice tender and motor, large solar panel array, maybe a generator, definitely air conditioning, davits, at least 2 anchors (both oversized and at least one with all chain), radio with IPOD interface, dodger and bimini.

3. Water maker, ssb, and liferaft for me. I think I have everything else ready to go. WIll not install watermaker or liferaft until we are about to cast off. WIll probably rip out the plastic Porthulls and go in with Bomar, SS Screw downs. I am also about to buy a cover for the deck that will be suspended just over the deck to shade the boat to keep her cooler. Move down south, you will find out why.

4. Fibergalss. No interest, at all, in others.


My boat is a Catalina 400. SHe is smooth, sure footed, and relatively fast. SHe is very comfortable. We have a lot of room and most if not all the systems are accessible. Her downfall is tankage and I hate those plastic portholes production boats (and many custom boats) put on. She is not nearly as robust as Dad's boat (who is going to go cruising with us) which is a Tayana Vancouver 42. It is pretty comfortable and has many plusses, including a LOT of storage and nice access to lazarette through galley. Negatives are that unles it is howling, she is not going to reach hull speed. Also, reverse on that boat is a joke. She just goes wherever she wants. Both are common downfalls of these types of boats.

If you find these gadgets are in your need list (not your want list), then you better go add some of them up. You can clear many 10's of thousands on them - easy. Keep that in mind as you start considering your purchase.

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It's hard for me to add anything of value as most of it's been said. I'd second the CD comment re: Passport 40s as a solid, proven bluewater "performance cruiser" vessel. I would also add that if you're really, really going to single-hand offshore and coastal, you would be...errr... insane, in my opinion, if you went much larger than 42' and I'd personally stay at 36-40'. Too much gear, too many things to fix/repair, too much sail, too much maintenance, too much $$, etc. If I recall you were considering 72' for reasons including "storage?" You can get a very comfortable and sea kindly vessel in 36 feet. Best of luck. And start saving money now...


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I am generally the "other" opinion.

She is not nearly as robust as Dad's boat (who is going to go cruising with us) which is a Tayana Vancouver 42. It is pretty comfortable and has many plusses, including a LOT of storage and nice access to lazarette through galley. Negatives are that unles it is howling, she is not going to reach hull speed. Also, reverse on that boat is a joke. She just goes wherever she wants. Both are common downfalls of these types of boats.

If you find these gadgets are in your need list (not your want list), then you better go add some of them up. You can clear many 10's of thousands on them - easy. Keep that in mind as you start considering your purchase.

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Heh, tell me about reverse in a full keel boat will ya? Mine hits hull speed in 15 knots of breeze but she's not nearly as comfy as your Dad's boat. I would, however, sail her anywhere and damned near through anything and have. Nothing sails quite like a woodie but I wouldn't wish it on anybody who hasn't a VERY strong hobby ethic, trust me on this. I will say something else about steel boats. After a nasty blow, when the glass boats are now fish condos, the wood boats splinters and the ferro boats rubble, the steel boats only need a bit of body work to get sorted out.
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