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Speaking of surveys and to add to the list.

If a boat is interesting enough to you to do all this work, in advance of coming to the boat to begin with - have the owner's last survey sent to you. It can be used as a checklist - and furthermore you can use it with your surveyor (if boat passes your inspection) to verify that previous issues have been addressed. It'll also demonstrate the level of care the PO had with the boat.
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Damm! I wish I had read all this 12 hours and 500 miles ago! A saw a winner today, and am making an offer in the morning, but all this would have helped a lot. HALF of this would have helped a lot!

Still, I did giver her a very good looking over - to the best of my ability, and of course the offer will be survey contingent.
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Very good thread Dawg, I'll refer to this thread next time I'm in the market for a boat and it will be helpful in keeping up my boat.

But do you ever sleep or work? you posted this at 4am and have been on line all day.
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Yep you must be under their window or had it prior to their changes in yacht Policies..

I too have USAA for everything except for my boat. They will not insure bigger more expensive boats anymore. Mine is insured for 70k agreed and they won't touch it.. I keep asking!! I'm currently with Amica..
My coverage is through USAA, they are now selling Markels "Helmsman Yacht Insurance" on the larger vessels they had stopped covering in-house. My cost from USAA/Markel was 1/3 of what Boat US quoted and is an agreed value policy with twice the liability the Boat US was offering.
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My coverage is through USAA, they are now selling Markels "Helmsman Yacht Insurance" on the larger vessels they had stopped covering in-house. My cost from USAA/Markel was 1/3 of what Boat US quoted and is an agreed value policy with twice the liability the Boat US was offering.
I'll call them tomorrow! I bought two years ago and at the time they were not taking any more yacht policies for bigger boats! Amica is EXPEN$IVE..

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I'm going to make a generalized no, I'm not looking for business from anybody statement.
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/buying...tml#post237459

All of the above are VERY good policies and procedures.
If EVERYONE that was looking at a hole in the water to throw money into followed the advise above, the world would be a better place and we'd have pretty sunsets too.

Alas,
Thats not the case.
I find MANY potential owners of both sail and powerboats looking at some real junk. Unsafe, unseaworthy POS's that had they followed even some of the advise posted above, they would have never laid out cash, or in some cases, "broke the dream".

I'm finding people have purchased, without survey in one case, a 30 ft SeaRay that had the motor mount stringers coming apart in my hand.

Another party bought a 38ft Trojan where the hull/deck joint was repaired with automotive bondo. (about a 6 foot chunk) They paid top dollar too... Why? as per the new owner "its a Trojan!"

I see horror stories as I come in after the fact for an insurance survey, where there is a lot of "pressure" (pffft, like that matters to me) to "write it nice".
Needless to say, that doesn't happen. Not with me.
And, its getting worse, not better. The economy is forcing SOME people to to put the boat up for sale, most times after sitting idle for some time, as we all know its the deathnell of any watercraft.
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Not to answer the Portagee's question but the reason there are Marine Surveyors in this country is for a number of reasons. #1 is such that the first time keel boat buyer will have an approximate idea of what is wrong with the boat they love but happens to be in a bad state. Many first time buyers do not even know that the boat they want to love has a stuffing box or a cooling water impeller on their engine much less what function a chain plate plays in keeping a rig aloft. #2 is to protect insurers from perhaps well intended people from buying non-seaworthy craft that will fall apart on them since they did not check out everything on the boat (CP's examples illustrate this). #3 is to keep people like SD and Mainesail in line so that even if they are not actually Marine Surveyors the boats they insure are deemed really seaworthy by someone else.
That said, a first time buyer could find themselves scratching their heads at this thread and asking themselves what a 'multimeter' or moisture detector is. This tread is a good attempt to alert folks as to the depth of discovery one should take when buying a boat.
The same rules apply when buying a boat as a house or home: caveat emptor, or buyer beware. The more knowledgeable the buyer, the better of they are; like second or third etc. boat owners. For first time buyers there are a whole lot of pitfalls they can stumble into and the insurance industry knows this and supports the idea of Marine Surveyors.
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I do sleep, just not a whole lot. I do work, and wish I had been on-line all day. I was actually snaking out a clogged sewer line for a friend... UGH... next time I have to do that, I'll trade ya... It's almost as bad as working on the head on a boat.

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Very good thread Dawg, I'll refer to this thread next time I'm in the market for a boat and it will be helpful in keeping up my boat.

But do you ever sleep or work? you posted this at 4am and have been on line all day.
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