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IMHP my boat just goes to weather better than boat X buy at least 15 deg which just works out to whole lot less tacking when your trying to get some place
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The Beneteau sounds fine for what you want to do. Since you mentioned Bayfield, I thought I would comment. After sailing a couple of fin keel boats for about 10 years I finally decided I wanted something with a little more under the waterline. I have a Bayfield ketch and I absolutely love it.
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I don't know too much about them, but I think they make a sexy sailboat.
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If I had your great choice to make, I'd look hard at the Beneteau 411. Perhaps from the early to mid 90's. There are many for sale all over the place and you should look very hard at the comparison between the new 40, 393, 423 and 411. Each model has many positives going for it but for me, I'd select a fresh water 411 for less than your budget. There is a very nice one at our marina in Holland, Michigan named Errol Flynn. She is on yachtworld.

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The Beneteau is a good choice and seen everywhere here in the Caribbean. So parts are no big deal also. Go for a young one and not to big. Over 40ft everything is big and heavy and much more expensive. Look at stories, reports and reviews of the 393. It has one weel which I prefer over the 2 weels on the 40'.
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The Beneteau is a good choice and seen everywhere here in the Caribbean. So parts are no big deal also. Go for a young one and not to big. Over 40ft everything is big and heavy and much more expensive. Look at stories, reports and reviews of the 393. It has one weel which I prefer over the 2 weels on the 40'.
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Dissagree on that one. I have owned 4 boats now, not counting the Tayana, and two wheels is a MUCH better arrangement. It gives you a better cockpit, redundancy, sit from the high side, etc.

Just my opinion - but contrary to yours (and why).

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Also gives you two wheels to jam, two steering systems to maintain, etc...
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Dissagree on that one. I have owned 4 boats now, not counting the Tayana, and two wheels is a MUCH better arrangement. It gives you a better cockpit, redundancy, sit from the high side, etc.

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The only reason Beneteau puts two wheels on the 40 is so you can walk right in from the stern platform instead of having to go around the wheel. The again there's the story of the 473 that hit a buoy on the Cooper River in Charleston a few years ago. Owner was on one wheel, his buddy who was teaching him was on the other. Guess they each wanted to pass the buoy on a different side. True story, I was on the dock when she came in with the bashed in port side.
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True CD. It has advantages. But on the Beneteau 40 I didn't like the floorshape under the wheels. I kept falling into the "holes". And I had to walk the whole day from one side to the other because of the Pilot controls which where only on the starboard side. I think a boat this lenght should not be so wide at stern. Single handed I had to walk a lot. Winch access is also much better. See photo on a 393. So I prefer the 393 cockpit over the 40.
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I think you've hit on the reason CD likes dual wheels...so that Kris can actually control the boat while it looks like CD is at the helm.

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