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According to the BROCHURE it is a Judel/Vrolijk design

older model materials at the D-USA site.
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Anyone see the new D-45 in person? In photos it looks very very nice.

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Hei Andrew, Hei Marty. Yes Marty is right, that is a Judel/Vrolijk design. Vand de Stadt design seaworthy boats but Judel/Vrolijk are the ones responsible to have transformed the Dehlers into very good looking boats.

About the Dehler 45 I have posted about it on the Interesting boat thread. I have been inside one and yes it is a very nice boat with a really good looking and very good quality interior with some annoying details, not in the interior but just to do a bigger interior.

For instance it is ridiculous that in a modern 45ft you have to have a two cabin boat to have a decent storage space. It is what happens on this one. For making the aft cabins bigger they have taken away almost all the space from the cockpit lockers that are now pretty useless.

Also that rearrangement of the cockpit (closed cockpit) is really ugly. You can close a cockpit without making it look odd. The 45 is a modified 44 (older boat) and the 44 looked a lot better at least in the version that had not an almost all black interior

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Hello Paulo, thanks for chiming in. I know that the speed of the SV is important to you and I understand your logic; while it is less important to me but it is nice to have. Understand that we can't have it all, thus we need some compromises as what we really need between speed and sea comfort/offshore capable.

I know HR352 and D39 are two different boats. Let's assume that HR352 is 10 in offshore capability in a scale of 1 to 10 and 10 is highest score. How do you rate the followings:

1. D39
2. Jeanneau SO 37 to 42
3. Beneteau First series (1985 to 1998)
4. Bavaria (37 to 42)
5. Dufour (37 to 42)

My intended purpose of the boat is coastal and island hopping with a trip or two of crossing to Europe. I don't beleive I need a Westsail full keel, but with a proper weather window I want to cross the Pond with some degree of confidence with the boat.

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Hello Paulo, thanks for chiming in. I know that the speed of the SV is important to you and I understand your logic; while it is less important to me but it is nice to have. Understand that we can't have it all, thus we need some compromises as what we really need between speed and sea comfort/offshore capable.

I know HR352 and D39 are two different boats. Let's assume that HR352 is 10 in offshore capability in a scale of 1 to 10 and 10 is highest score. How do you rate the followings:

1. D39
2. Jeanneau SO 37 to 42
3. Beneteau First series (1985 to 1998)
4. Bavaria (37 to 42)
5. Dufour (37 to 42)

My intended purpose of the boat is coastal and island hopping with a trip or two of crossing to Europe. I don't beleive I need a Westsail full keel, but with a proper weather window I want to cross the Pond with some degree of confidence with the boat.

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Rock,

I will not specify boat for boat but I would say with some confidence that the Dehler 39 is probably more seaworthy than an HR 352. Normally seaworthiness of a boats increases with size (that was one of the main conclusions on the tank studies regarding capsizing) so between similar boats the bigger will be more seaworthy. The HS is heavier and that can bring in some cases an advantage (if the boat is well designed and the HS is) but It seems to me that the difference in size is not enough to compensate the bigger size of the Dehler. Besides the Dehler has a very good B/D ratio and that gives him extra points

Basically, for the same size, the performance line of boats, like the Dehler or the First does not only offer an advantage in speed but also in seaworthiness. They have more RM to carry more sail and that gives them also a better reserve stability and a better AVS. As an important bonus they can also make better way in a blow against the wind.

I don't think you will have any problem crossing the pond in the right season with any of those boats you have asked about. A countryman that I know circumnavigated two times with a Bavaria 36 (a 1999 boat that is closer to the Bavaria 37 than to the lighter 2002 Bavaria 36), but you should have them prepared for a job, with a small third reef and a small stay sail on a removable stay, jack lines, reserve sail and the lot.

On the Dufours you have two different boats, the performance series and the other that was called classic and that is now called "Grand large". By the same reason I say that the First are better than the Beneteau, the performance series is better than the Classic series. I like a lot the Dufour 40. Well built, seaworthy and with a great storage space. In fact I have the boat for you here in Portugal (I was very tempted to buy it) you only have to come here and get it :

dufour 40 | Veleiros de ocasi√£o 95320

Seriously, a Dehler 39, a Dufour 40, a First 40,7 or even better an older Dehler 41 or 43 cws would be perfect in what regards seaworthiness for travelling a lot offshore. But any of the other boats will do if convenientelly prepared and most of all, if you are prepared too

But all this is way out of this tread. Bottom point, the Dehler 39 is not only a fast boat but also a great offshore boat with a good cruising interior and reasonable storage space. It is also a pleasure to steer. What do you want more?

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Excellent and helpful answers Paulo.

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In fact I have the boat for you here in Portugal (I was very tempted to buy it) you only have to come here and get it :
Do you they offer a deep discount to an unrefined barbaric American? We could take the delivery in Europe as like out cars. We are partial to European cars and many other things.

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But any of the other boats will do if conveniently prepared and most of all, if you are prepared too
I will be. I take this very seriously and try to join as a crew with other captain every chance I have. In fact we are proposed leave from Annapolis to Bermuda round trip yesterday and got postponed for a week. . I am a rocket scientist, I learn things fast and am very good with my hands .

As for Dufour, I spent many hours at the Annapolis show last year, I really like the 40E. With a base price of $248k, I am afraid she would be over 300K by the time we get her in the water. I got shy away thinking that I need to be more sensible to spend the money.

Having read your answers, I am much more encouraged knowing I have more choices. I was afraid I would end up with a heavy old smelly boat in order to ensure my safety at seas. Old boats remind me of the smelly dark basement. I am a hardcore research scientist and always at in the front tiers of the technology. I beleive in new thinking and the advances in material science.

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The Dufour you mentioned has too much draft for us in east coast of the States. Less then 6 ft or prefer 5 ft.

Calado : 2,10 m
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Judel/Vrolijk designed the D39s of the early 2000s and I believe also the later SQs. Marty our boat is not Beltane, that is Ken McDonald, he is at my marina and a member of SYC. I am sure they could get the photos to him. There are 3 blue early 2000s D39 in Seattle all at Elliott Bay Marina. Opening day we were up in the Islands.

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The Dufour you mentioned has too much draft for us in east coast of the States. Less then 6 ft or prefer 5 ft.

Calado : 2,10 m
Keep it on your short list. It has also a version with 1.65m . Difficult to find though.

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Micheal or anyone else:

I wonder if you would comment on this one. It seems look really nice and is not too far from me to take a look.

2001 Dehler 39 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

rockdawg,

That boat looks a lot like mine. Mine was built in late 2000 and sold new in 2002. They came with a choice of 3 mainsheeting arrangements. I like the one we have, no winch, multiple reduction, right at traveler infront of binacle. Person behind the wheel can handle it when sailing short handed. The other set up I am familiar with splits the sheet, we have continous, and sends each side to a winch. The third set up I have not seen so can't comment.

The stock rudder arrangement is not the best, rudder needs to be dropped and lubed every 4 or 5 years. When we do ours, we will redo it with more substantial bearings and external greasing capability. Beltane had her rudder assembly cut out and a new set up was glassed in. On any D39 I would want to know when rudder was last dropped and lubed/reamed.

The mast is flexible and has a lot of range of adjustment if you have backstay adjuster which they all came with as far I know. Triple spreader rig, rigged with cunningham, rigid vang. The stock cruising sails are very nice, as is the carbon fiber assymetrical pole. They all came with track for reaching or spinnaker pole also.

Like Alex said to me back when I originally posted if you like it and can afford it will make you smile. Its not worth what one costs new, which is why almost none come to USA anymore. Seattle dealer gave up as have most on east coast. They are very nice, but to the average buyer, you could save $100K buying a Dufour, Jeanneau, Benne, etc. $175K is a bit more than we paid, your broker can look up the sale on Yachtworld, we closed in January 09.

The only downside that I can think of as we get older, is there is really no way to set up boat for a bimini that is usable while sailing due to length of boom. We have a little bimini that hooks up with line that we can use at anchorage for a little sun protection, but no way you could sail with it. So this isn't going to be the perfect cruising boat for everyone. But for a coastal cruiser that is fast and riot to sail, it is hard to beat.


BTW Hanse now owns Dehler, and from what I have heard, the big boats will be Hanses and smaller ones will be branded Dehler.

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