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as I said, the faux propaganda spell has been cast!
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That's my advice, on my blog. I'm only advertising it in my sig because I want to give my advice on what to buy. You disagree.

I mean its amazing, nobody has said my expenses were wrong or that it doesn't cost a lot to own a sailboat and yet a few have such a negative reaction to telling dreamers that information exactly? You'd rather just let those people walk into the propeller blade so that someone can pick up a neglected boat out of a distress sale? Thats just incredible. Thats exactly why I started my blog, hopefully people don't walk into the propellor, they are WARNED THAT THEY COULD, and they take a proper course of action, thats all. Sorry you disagree that I should do that.
No one is actually disputing your expenses. They are "what they are". They are for all of us. I'm a NEW sailor, haven't even put the boat in the water yet. I've already spent (somewhat less than) 10K. My wife and I intially laid out a cost of around 20K for everything from training to buying a first boat.

We're 50% below that and I don't expect any more major expenses until I go to get a bigger boat.

We're working out a budget for that now... and do not expect to actually purchase a boat for at LEAST a year, perhaps three more. So, it's kind of up in the air at the moment. Things could change.

MY issue with your post was the way you directed your message to "All you dreamers".....

THAT's where I have the problem.

Life is complex enough in this day and age for us all, Internet, Satellite TV, GPSes, text messaging, cars with computers that won't start when the battery voltage.

My wife and I are really several years from "retirement". Our "dream" was discussed once or twice some thirty years ago - then life happened, children, major medical issues with some of the kids forcing year long hospital stays, the death of a child, moving constantly for 20 years, finally settling one place, about as freakin' far in the US as you can get from an ocean.

The dream was there in both our heads, but we never really again discussed going sailing, traveling the world or getting out of Colorado. I was resigned to the fact I'd be settling down in "Little House on the Prairie" where my kids and grand kids could come visit me, ride a horse or milk a cow, or shoot some guns, bows and arrows or simply have a good glass of home brew beer or mead.

Then, something clicked one day. My wife and I were discussing that "retirement" and when I asked her what she wanted to do, she said, "I'm not sure what I want to do, but I'll tell you what I DON'T want to do... that's just quit. Stop doing things. I want to travel. "

I asked her, "How would you like to sail?"

She said, "Absolutely. Yes. Let's do that."

There was a bit more discussion of course, about things like RVs and traveling the country and so on, but we both knew deep down that our love for the Caribbean would win out. So it was decided.

The dream, Sir, is becoming real for us, day by day. It's still a few years away, and I've got plenty of work to do - but I've not been sailing for sixty years like you - it's not something which I have "grown tired" or doing yet, and certainly it isn't something with which we've become jaded seeing others let their boats rot.

I've seen enough nonsense and crap, death and destruction in my life to last several lifetimes - and I want to do something *I* want to do, not "work for the government" or "be on call". I don't give a damned how much I end up spending and I don't really want someone to kick me in the gonads and tell me to "quit dreaming".

That's my gripe with you. And it's one I'll stand here and tell EVERYONE that you're wrong about.

You're wrong.

As others have already said in different ways, it's not the cost of doing something that you enjoy, rather it is the priceless memories and experiences you gain that make you a better person for what you're doing.

With that I'll tell you we'd decided on a name for the boat - from a Buffet song - and I'm certainly not (as most know) an Obama fan with his "Change" crap he pushed on the public... but the "Winds of Change" is the name of the boat and that's what it'll remain.

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rhis whole discussion seems pretty silly. The term "expensive" is a relative one and no two people define it the same way. Also, not everyone has the same perception of value or money in general. Just because one person expresses his personal viewpoint doesn't make it either tight or wrong - just his.

What is wrong here is the apparent attempt for one person to apply his values on the rest of us.
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Rick—

I've got an old Andersen Jacobsen 110 baud acoustic coupler around here someplace...
Good grief, I didn't MENTION 110, cuz, you know people won't believe that it existed. lol

I still have one of those acoustic couplers in a "junk box" I use for... well, junk, when I need parts for something. Hahahhaa
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XHAWK101--

I am a Gen Xer here as well--haven't reached 40 yet but will in a few weeks. I Have been sailing since I was in my early twenties and boating since I was 9. I agree with your statements. The question I have for you, as a fellow Xer is this:

For the forseeable future: Do you envision owning a vessel or doing either of the fractional sailing or chartering or joining a community sailing club? What ever your answer--could you elaborate as to the reason(s) you chose your answer? I am curious.
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Generally,

I have found the change in the 45+ crowd. There are a few people who get interested in sailing who are 20 and 30 somethings however they represent a small percentage.

From my sailing instruction experience, I have found approximately 20% of the students to be under 40; The rest to be 48 and over. I seem not to get a lot of students in the 40-48 yo range. I do not know why that is --it just is.
I mentioned Amateur Radio early on in the thread because of this very thing.

Like the Ocean, the Radio Spectrum is a natural resource that is used, and like the ocean, abused often.

The RF spectrum is "newer" than the ocean - simply because the technology to exploit it only was discovered around 1890, whereas people have been sailing apparently for many centuries. But, because of Amateur Radio operators we have MOST of the things you all enjoy today, including the computer screen and keyboard you're typing on.

Were it NOT for constantly bringing young people into the hobby of ham radio it would have died long, long ago. LIKE sailing, amateur radio has changed over the last 100+ years and technologies have changed as well.

Those same "Gen X" kids - my sons and daughters, texting away on their cellular phones and taking and emailing pictures with those same phones have only the inkling of what technology has wrought for them through those phones - few of my own kids and probably none of my grandchidren know what a "vacuum tube" is - let alone a rudder.

I can promise you all something though - my children and their children, and perhaps one day, some great grandchildren of MINE will know about BOTH amateur radio and sailing. My wife, like me is a ham radio operator. And like me she's planning on being the best sailor she can be.

We've never allowed simple lessons in life to pass by those kids - and we're not starting now (there was a knot-tying class at our son's house for everyone on Christmas day, which ended up being replayed on New Year's Eve... lol Wife is sneaky that way).

Already I've had several questions from one of the little ones, "Grandpa? When can we ride on your pretty boat?" - That one is such a doll, so next to me and my wife, she'll probably be first

So - folks, my thinking is, Cap'n Fred came here, NOT to convince us to "let the dream go" or "that things are too expensive...." - perhaps he did come here to get his opinion across. And PERHAPS, like Santa Claus, he sneaked in, in the middle of the night to spark a few more dreams for some of you who are constantly whining about expensive this or that is

Wake up and smell the coffee, ladies and gents. Methinks he is using some kind of retro-reverse-psychology on us all!

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If everyone could afford to sail then the sea would be completely overrun and we'd have to find some other way of gaining solitude...
Such as, say, moving to the mountains of Colorado? LOL

They are here too, believe me.
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