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The Mega 30 foot came out in 1977
the brainchild of Peter Barret of North Sails.
There is a boat that had a few 'ahead of its time'
innovations, but was so unconventional in appearance
that it never gained any traction.
The Hobie 33 was much better at doing what
the Mega 30 set out to do.

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Hey Mike your right about the C&C 36!

Yes, Mike the C&C 36 was not nearly the boat the 35 was.
I should know I owned both and regretted the day I bought the 36'. It was a poor design,tender and not as fast as the 35. A slug in light air, which was unusual since most C&C's excelled in light winds. The only worse design was the C&C 30 Mega. Now that was a horrible design. I know someone here posted some good comments about this boat. Trust me I owned/sailed many C&C's for 30 years. The Mega was C&C's version of the Ford Pinto! The 30 Mk1 or 2 was a great boat for that era. But the Mega is best suited to be a future anchor.

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Re: JEFF H input wanted

Jeff H.,

I am about 1.5 years away from a [used] live aboard purchase, looking for something in the 30-35 ft range, will be single handing, and looking for an average purchase price somewhere in the neighborhood of $40k.

I am familiar with some of the YouTube videos you are featured in, e.g. Vin & Amy, respect your opinion, and would like to get your ideas about acceptable cruiser-racers, and understand that I will need to put money into upgrades after the initial purchase.

Why a cruiser-racer for me? I think speed, maneuverability, and windward performance increases the safety factor, makes for easier handling, and is just plain fun.

I also want something that is sea-kindly, livable down below, including decent storage, with a clean modern layout, i.e., in a comfortable minimalist sense, e.g., 1988 C&C 35, but not something as spartan as a C&C 99 either, and would greatly appreciate your feedback.

Last, decent engine access for routine maintenance is a plus, as I am 6' 2", and not a contortionist.

* FYI: Prior to watching your videos, I had always believed that a heavy displacement boat with a full keel was the safest way to go, and I was planning to buy a Westsail 32. However, the 1979 Fastnet Contessa 32 story often made me wonder about the "necessity" for a classic, heavy blue water sailboat for passage making. *

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Re: JEFF H input wanted

It will be difficult to find a decent performance boat in that length that also offers adequate headroom, and berth lengths for someone who is 6'-2". That said there are a bunch of good boats in that general price range and length. At 5'-9" I must admit headroom is something that I don't pay much attention to.

There are a lot of good boats in that length range and budget out there that also make good single handers and decent live aboard boats. Some are better performers and some are better cruising boats.

In the designs that offers higher levels of performance with nicer levels of cruising amenities two designs stand out in my mind; the J-34c (J-35c) and the Farr 1020. Both of these designs were developed as cruising designs specifically by designers known for their racing designs. Both were designed without any regard for the popular racing rule of the day. Of the two I personally prefer the Farr 1020 but suspect that the J-34c may have a little more comfortable interior.

Probably my favorite in the more cruising oriented designs is the Bristol 33/34 from the late 1960's early 1970's. These were great boats all around in terms of sailing ability, seaworthiness and build quality. the 34 was a slightly better boat dues to its improved rudder design. Off the top of my head other boats in the performance oriented side of things that I like in ouder of preference might include boats like the following:
Dehler 34 (late 19 80s -90's era)
X-342 & X-325
Nightwing 35
Thomas 35
Alsberg Brothers Express 34
Goman Express 35
Farr 1105
Tartan 33
Omega 33
Beneteau 345
Dufour 4800(35)

And I am sure that I have forgotten quite a few.

In the more cruising oriented side and in no particular order,
Tartan 34
Pearson 323
Morgan 34 (1960's)
Ericson 36c
Jenneau Sunshine 36
Cal 36
Niagara

And I am sure dozens of others which did not come to mind.

As broad parameters I would look for boats with L/Ds below 200, SA/Ds over 18 with over 20 as more ideal. I generally prefer boats that are not contorted to some racing rule and with a LWL/LOA over 80℅.

I would be glad to kick around ideas with you as you go through your search. If you PM me, I'll send you my email address which is actually more convenient for me.

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I won''t bore you with heavy air stories that only I think are comical, but I will say that my boat has on at least 4 occasions this year stood up well to winds over 40 knots and seas of up to 9 feet.
True wind or apparent?

Everyone over-estimates wave height, and few understand what the standard "significant wave height" means.

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Re: JEFF H input wanted

Thanks for that tremendous feedback Jeff, really appreciate the time you put into it, and I will be sending you a PM.
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Jeff, I've tried to send a PM twice, but it does not show that it went thru. Will post two more responses somewhere to hit 20 posts so that I can send you an email.
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Re: Hey Mike your right about the C&C 36!

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Yes, Mike the C&C 36 was not nearly the boat the 35 was.
I should know I owned both and regretted the day I bought the 36'. It was a poor design,tender and not as fast as the 35. A slug in light air, which was unusual since most C&C's excelled in light winds. The only worse design was the C&C 30 Mega. Now that was a horrible design. I know someone here posted some good comments about this boat. Trust me I owned/sailed many C&C's for 30 years. The Mega was C&C's version of the Ford Pinto! The 30 Mk1 or 2 was a great boat for that era. But the Mega is best suited to be a future anchor.

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True wind or apparent?

Everyone over-estimates wave height, and few understand what the standard "significant wave height" means.
You quoted me from a post that is 14 years old. I avoid whiskey that young Seriously.

Seriously again, I'm sure the seas where more like 6 feet and the wind was apparent. I had just bought a boat and thought I was going to sail around the world in it. I'd go out in anything, now it's too much work and I don't like to break things.

Jeff is still very wrong about that 30MKI being a dud. Odd because he makes sense most of the time. They are heavy, overbuilt even, and the main is too small. They have as many shortcomings as any other boat, but a great boat. Walk the boatyards and see what other 1972 boats are being races and one will find that they still have an well deserved, avid following.

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You quoted me from a post that is 14 years old. I avoid whiskey that young Seriously.
Well, phooey. The thread showed in 'new posts' due to a *ahem* new post. So I scrolled back without noticing it was a zombie thread. *grin* Oops.

I will use the opportunity to display some Christmas pedanticism. <- I crack myself up.

Wave height is conventionally measured as significant wave height, which is the average of the 1/3 highest waves. That is NOT the one big wave.

P.S. They all look big from the trough.

I can't speak to the C&C 30 Mk I. I've never sailed one. Send me the lines, the sail plan, and the location of the CG and I"ll tell you what I would forecast for performance. Extra credit for longitudinal and transverse moments of inertia.

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