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6 knots?

Just a couple thoughts, based on the standard calculation used, in order to get 6 knots you need at least 25 feet of waterline. Since length overall is usually longer than waterline you're probably looking at 27+/- feet to get that. There's only one trailerable I know of that's that long (the seaward 32rk), and it's way out of budget consideration. In the sizes you're talking about you get a boat with 4.5-5 knot abilities and you'll average 3.5 or so if you keep it lightly loaded. Pile on gear for a week, and you may not get that for an average. Remember the 5 knots is the theoretical hull speed. If your plan involves trips that require that speed to make them possible you might want to rethink. You won't get it from the boats you're talking about.

That said, a McGregor is probably not a bad choice, but you'll have a hunt to find one in your price range. If you can find one it adds the advantage of higher speeds under power so greatly increases your cruising range and the water ballast makes them really easy to tow.

I've sailed a Hunter 22 and liked it. It's simple, with a shallow draft, and might be a good choice for you. The accomodations are simple, but reasonable for one or two.

I wouldn't worry too much about a few feet of length. It won't make the difference in your ability to handle the boat, and in some ways a larger boat is a little easier to handle because it's more stable and you have more deck space to work on.

Anyway, good luck. I hope you find the right boat.
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There's only one trailerable I know of that's that long (the seaward 32rk), and it's way out of budget consideration.

There's also the Clipper Marine 32, billed as trailerable, (which it is), but not a boat that is quick and simple to rig once off the trailer. you're not going to be merrily sailing off into the sunset within minutes of arriving at the launch ramp.
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trailer sailer

If you're looking for some performance and are willing to do some work trhere's a Harmony 22 on eBay with trailer that I'm sure can be picked up for the right pricde. Nice new sailbags also (don't know what's in 'em).
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Just a couple thoughts, based on the standard calculation used, in order to get 6 knots you need at least 25 feet of waterline. Since length overall is usually longer than waterline you're probably looking at 27+/- feet to get that. There's only one trailerable I know of that's that long (the seaward 32rk), and it's way out of budget consideration. In the sizes you're talking about you get a boat with 4.5-5 knot abilities and you'll average 3.5 or so if you keep it lightly loaded.
Short threadjack: the theoretical hull speed calculations are pretty good yardsticks for large, pure displacement vessels. But smaller, lighter boats can and frequently do exceed hull speeds; think of them as semi-displacement hulls, or semi-planing hulls if you prefer. Here's an example: our SJ21 has a waterline length of only 17.5ft, yet it regularly pushes 7 kts on the GPS without surfing and on most points of sail. From a GPS log (and Garmin rounds down):

277 6/15/2008 11:27:06 AM 4703 ft 176 ft 0:00:19 5 kt 240 true N42 31.635 W105 00.272
278 6/15/2008 11:27:25 AM 4711 ft 144 ft 0:00:15 6 kt 241 true N42 31.620 W105 00.306
279 6/15/2008 11:27:40 AM 4720 ft 210 ft 0:00:22 6 kt 240 true N42 31.609 W105 00.334
280 6/15/2008 11:28:02 AM 4727 ft 200 ft 0:00:21 6 kt 236 true N42 31.592 W105 00.375
281 6/15/2008 11:28:23 AM 4735 ft 191 ft 0:00:19 6 kt 239 true N42 31.573 W105 00.412
282 6/15/2008 11:28:42 AM 4744 ft 50 ft 0:00:05 6 kt 235 true N42 31.557 W105 00.448
283 6/15/2008 11:28:47 AM 4747 ft 234 ft 0:00:24 6 kt 235 true N42 31.552 W105 00.457
284 6/15/2008 11:29:11 AM 4755 ft 194 ft 0:00:20 6 kt 239 true N42 31.530 W105 00.500
285 6/15/2008 11:29:31 AM 4761 ft 197 ft 0:00:21 6 kt 231 true N42 31.514 W105 00.537
286 6/15/2008 11:29:52 AM 4764 ft 183 ft 0:00:20 5 kt 224 true N42 31.493 W105 00.571
287 6/15/2008 11:30:12 AM 4764 ft 96 ft 0:00:16 4 kt 203 true N42 31.472 W105 00.599
288 6/15/2008 11:30:28 AM 4764 ft 128 ft 0:00:17 4 kt 74 true N42 31.457 W105 00.607
289 6/15/2008 11:30:45 AM 4768 ft 139 ft 0:00:16 5 kt 80 true N42 31.463 W105 00.580
290 6/15/2008 11:31:01 AM 4766 ft 204 ft 0:00:20 6 kt 63 true N42 31.467 W105 00.549
291 6/15/2008 11:31:21 AM 4766 ft 178 ft 0:00:18 6 kt 35 true N42 31.482 W105 00.509


We fell below theoretical hull speed once, but that was a tack. That's why I endorse smaller, lighter boats on little inland lakes; they sail like dinghies, keeping the fun factor high while ownership costs stay low, and they are dead simple to plop in the next lake over when you get sick of this one. /threadjack

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If you're are ok with fin keels I may suggest a Merit 25. I own one and it's fairly trailerable (came from Corpus Christi to Valle de Bravo in Mexico, and from there to the Pacific coast -Vallarta and Acapulco). We take about one hour to rig again, the accomodations are good, nothing fancy but the V berth is as spacious as 30 footers. 6 Knots? of course! we make 6-7 regularly on our little lake, on the ocean we made 12 on a run downwind. Within your budget, the problem I think is to find one up there in northeast.

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Catalina 22 - the best choice

Find a mid 80s Catalina 22. Parts and support easily available. Boat handles heavy air and light air, roomy cockpit - that's where you spend most of your time. Get one with a pop-top and the cabin is OK for a week's cruise. You can't go wrong with a Catalina 22.
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Catalina 22 - great cruiser in this size range

My first boat was a Catalina 22 and I like it so much I kept it when I got my 30.

There are lots of them around in your price range and the pop top would make overnighting easier, though I day sail mine. The majority are swing keels, but I prefer the shoal draft wing keel. It's not as desirable for racing but you eliminate the maintenance issues of the swinger and you'll never notice the difference when cruising.

Check out "Chip Ahoy" Homeport for just about any maintenance/upgrade question on the C22. You can often find a boat in your area by posting on Chip's email list. Also check out Catalina 22 Home Page.

One important thing is parts availability. Catalina still makes the 22 and Catalina Direct sells just about any part you'd need for the boat. Catalina Direct: Welcome to Catalina Direct Online

. Subscribe to Chips mailing list and you'll have a built in tech support site for any project. You can't put a price on that.

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The Rhodes19 is the Mariner19 and I think was the O'Day19 (for only a couple of years). Theoretical hull speed is less than 6 knots.

The Rhodes22 is an incredible boat but it is unlikely that you'll find a one in your price range.

Its LWL is 20' which would give it a theoretical hull speed of 5.99 knots.

It's not the easiest boat to trailer, rig, and launch. It has 9 stays and when you raise the mast you are also raising 300 square feet of sail (uses a mast raising system). With motor and gear you'll be towing about 4,000 lbs. Its trailer has an extension tongue but can still be a problem at some ramps. Most people only trailer it in and out for the season or for an occasional vacation trip, as opposed to everytime they go sailing.

I don't want to discourage you from buying a Rhodes22. I looked at most of the boats on your list and bought the Rhodes. It's perfect for my needs but may not be for yours.

Good luck!
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Finally Bought the Right TS

Well, I finally bought the trailer sailer that's right for me. Although, there were about 6 finalists, I went with the one that has a lot of popularity, support info and parts swap sites -- the Catalina 22. I found a good price on a well-kept 1979 C-22. Thanks for your help gang.
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