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post #11 of 17 Old 02-11-2009
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Go to a boatyard in the Area and get a quote for winter storage including hauling and painting the bottom (which they usually require you pay them to do now.) Don't forget about covering the boat. You will probably want to shrink wrap a boat that new. You could save 200 or 300 dollars doing it your self but it is 2-3 days of labor. Some boat yards make you unstep the mast as well.

On the south side of the sound you might be looking at 4000 worth of storage fees, before any repairs or up grade, maybe a little cheaper where you are.
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Actually, replacing a bilge pump is considerably easier than changing the oil...

We are usually just the two of us on the boat, but my daughter and her husband live in England, so when they visit, they tend to be here for a good period of time.

We wanted a boat that was comfortable for the two of us, but big enough for two couples for at least a couple of weeks. So far, our longest time aboard with two couples has been 10 days. It was fine. It's probably worth considering that we all like one another...

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I have sailed on both a Bene First 51' (for 400 nm offshore) and a Bene 505 of which NEITHER had a bow thruster. Slow and steady usually wins the race when docking, with some practice.
Having never had in mast main sail furling I am not a fan of it, perhaps without good reason. If it ever jams in a real blow you are in worse shape then with a traditional set up with Lazy Jacks.
Have you thought about having Radar on the boat for when it gets a bit foggy out on LIS (and you know it does)?
It will be your boat so I hope that all your extra gear provides you with the safety and comfort you desire.
Changing the engine oil is not all that difficult either.

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We definetely want rader and and a GPS. It gets very foggy in LI sound. I am less firm on the in main furl in the mast as a requirement.

Good advice on getting some pricing for winter storage and shrink wrap and all.
Do people still paint the bottom every year. I thought the newer paints give you 2 years of wear?
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Nika,
Don't forget a chart plotter AND paper charts for your areas. Chart plotters can leave out some very pertinent information that is on the paper charts; things like shoals and rocks come to mind.
You should think about getting a SAT phone as well since you might want to email your friends or get weather info. In most areas of the LIS you will have cell phone connections but it is nice to have the backup and computer hookup.
Did I mention an auto pilot? Below decks control of the rudder seems to be quite a lot better then the wheel pilots (had the below deck auto pilot going from Tortola, BVI to TCI (Turks & Caicos) with no problem over 400 ocean miles).
As for bottom paint, I do it every year with a cheap ablative paint. If you want multi-year performance you will need to spend about $200+ a gallon for the better stuff.
The marine growth on things like the propeller are always a problem. Plan on having someone dive the boat to give it a good cleaning at least once in season. The cleaner the water is the more critters there are to attach to your boat's bottom. It does not take a huge barnacle build up on the prop to reduce it's efficiency.
Average yearly cost for a 40' sailboat would be conservatively $4K/year not including upgrades, fixes and fuel. I would budget for more if I could afford a bigger sailboat then my Tartan 27'.

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There is an industry rule of thumb; it takes on average 10% of the original cost of the boat to maintain as new, pay dockage, fuel, etc. This rule is based on moderate use (12-15 days a month), annual haul out/launch and outside storage with the mast in. It includes the cost of most materials but assumes that the general maintenance is done by the owner except for painting the bottom.. There are higher and lower exceptions of course but I have found this to be a good starting point in planning a basic budget for a late model production boat in the 40 foot range.

The single most important piece of equipment to me other than the basics of gps, vhf, depth sounder, speedo is an auto pilot. Second is a good dodger.
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I don't own a boat (at this time) but I have chartered quite a bit. We took out a Hunter 44 one year and it had a bow thruster. I have to admit that it was nice because I am less-than confident in my docking abilities. I think if you own the boat however, you would probably only use it in the beginning when you're still "learning" the boat. Once you get used to everything you'd probably not use it at all.
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