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I wouldn't worry too much about gelcoat cracks on the deck of C&C of that vintage. I just would be very careful about soft spots and get a good survey.

Also, if you haven't fixed up an old boat yourself, I would caution that it tends to cost more than you expect and, in the long run, it is usually cheaper to pay more for one that has already had the work done.

Oh, and I had a very good experience with a similar Yanmar on my C&C.
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What do you make of this...?

Ok, I made my 3rd trip to see the boat today and I got a copy of its last 2003 survey, which didn't appear to be too extensive. But I noticed something today that hadn't caught my eye before and I'd like to get some opinions

When I was walking around the boat and looking down the hull, I noticed shallow, but noticeable vertical indentations amidship on both sides of the hull going from the water line upward about 2.5 feet. I'd say they were about 3-4" wide and when I knocked on them with my knuckles, there was a definite lack of resonance as compared to the rest of the hull.

At first I thought it had been t-boned and repaired until I noticed it was on both sides. And then it wasn't until I got home and zoomed in on the pictures I've been taking during each visit, that I noticed both of these indentations line up with the Chainplates/Shrouds. There's a big vertical glassed in mounting bracket that can be seen on the inside of the hull where the chainplates are anchored that's right behind where these external indentations are.

Is this normal, or something I should be concerned about?
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Is this normal, or something I should be concerned about?
Those dimples indicate that the rig has been over-tensioned, I've seen them on a number of raced boats, including another C&C30. That condition deserves close review by a professional, I don't know whether the problem is a throw-out or not, more subject material calling for an expert surveyor. i would suspect they might factor into the relatively attractive price of the boat (again, the challenge in buying a boat is to get what you pay for...).

I know the owner of the dimpled C&C 30 set the boat up on the hard with an auto jack cranked up between the knees to push out the dimples, I don't know how that turned out.
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Question Any Pro Bono Surveyor's here on Sailnet?

Would anyone that's actually a surveyor here consider taking 5 minutes to read through the 51 defects I've found on this boat and give me a quick objective opinion (via private email) as to what a reasonable offer would be based on what I've found and/or whether I should give this particular boat a pass?

It's a 1-1/4 page numbered list word document. If you'd be willing to help out, just PM me with your regular email address and I'll be happy to send the list to you.

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Would anyone that's actually a surveyor here consider taking 5 minutes to read through the 51 defects I've found on this boat and give me a quick objective opinion (via private email) as to what a reasonable offer would be based on what I've found and/or whether I should give this particular boat a pass?
You're asking someone to work for you for free. What would you do if a stranger came up to you and asked you to spend two or three hours of your time helping them for nothing ??

I'll be brashly honest here. If you only have 12K you can't afford a 30 foot boat. 30 foot boats cost about 30 thousand dollars and upwards. If someone is selling a well-known and well-respected vessel for so much below market value it is because the boat needs a lot of work. It will cost you far, far more than you can realise to bring that boat up to snuff.

If it was an amazing deal it would never have been on the market long enough for you to find it.

Take the money that you have and buy a decent 22 footer. You'll have enough left over to buy the things that it will need, and maintain it properly for a few years. When you have $30,000.00 to spend AND another $5,000.00 a year (absolute minimum) to keep the boat going, buy a 30 footer.

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LOL... reading it might take five minutes, but a decent reply is surely going to take at least an hour, given your 51 defects...either do a pre-survey inspection yourself, and determine whether the boat is worthy of getting a survey on, or pass on it. Don't ask people to work for free.

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Would anyone that's actually a surveyor here consider taking 5 minutes to read through the 51 defects I've found on this boat and give me a quick objective opinion (via private email) as to what a reasonable offer would be based on what I've found and/or whether I should give this particular boat a pass?

It's a 1-1/4 page numbered list word document. If you'd be willing to help out, just PM me with your regular email address and I'll be happy to send the list to you.
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wow, if this boat had tires you would be kicking them flat.
3 visits to the boat and still no survey?
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Would anyone that's actually a surveyor here consider taking 5 minutes to read through the 51 defects I've found on this boat and give me a quick objective opinion (via private email) as to what a reasonable offer would be based on what I've found and/or whether I should give this particular boat a pass?

It's a 1-1/4 page numbered list word document. If you'd be willing to help out, just PM me with your regular email address and I'll be happy to send the list to you.
BCS: Invest in a survey. There is such a thing as being penny wise. And remember the asking price for the boat. That price already reflects that the boat may need some substantial work.

You wouldn't ask for free medical or legal advice on the internet, would you? A survey could be the best few hundred bucks you'll ever invest.

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I was asking for 5 minutes worth of someone's time and an opinion, nothing more. And I had no intention of using any response I got back in lieu of an actual survey.

If I'm over kicking the tires, it's just because I don't part with large sums of money for anything without really doing my homework first. And since this will be the first sailboat I've ever purchased, there was a lot of homework to do so that I could be reasonably knowledgeable before making an offer.
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It sounds like you are definitely doing your homework but that you have reached the point where you need the help of a professional. I hope it works out for you. I had a C&C of that vintage and it was a great boat. Good luck.
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