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backcreeksailor 03-24-2009 12:58 AM

1979 C&c 30
 
I'm trying to whittle down my short list of the boats I've found so far and I need a little help with specs on a 1979 C&C 30.

This particular C&C 30 is going for a decent price (12k asking), but I have concerns about the deck. During my initial inspection I noted that every single stanchion is showing hairline gelcoat cracking around the bases. But they all seem to be solid, (no noticeable wiggle).

Does anyone know if the 1979 C&C 30 has a solid deck or a cored deck?

I'm assuming if it's a solid deck that backing plates, rebedding, and some gelcoat work will correct the problem and this isn't a serious structural issue.

But if it's a cored deck and water has invaded those cracks, this boat could require some major $$$'s and deck repairs to correct the problem.

Sailormann 03-24-2009 01:22 AM

It has a cored deck, as do the vast majority of boats. BUT... The coring usually stops inboard of the toerail and the stanchions and toerail (which holds the boat together) are almost always mounted on solid fibreglass. In the case of a stanchion base with three screws, the inboard screw sometimes does pierce the core.

The crazing that you see at the stanchion bases is normal and not something to worry about too much. A surveyor can tell you what's going on there.

The link below will take you to a website that has vast amounts of information on C & C's:

C&C Yachts - C&C Photo Album & Resource Center

sailingfool 03-24-2009 10:51 AM

The C&C 30 Mark I is a wonderful boat, I owned a '77 for a number of years and I would buy it back in a minute. Craziing around the stanchions would not be unusual on most any boat of that age, and would not be a sign of weakness, nor increase the risk of a wet core. So ignore that concern and move on...

To the general concern that ANY older boat could have areas of wet decks from aged or improper bedded fittings. 99% of the boats you will look at will have balsa-cored decks, where testing for wet decks is one of the many reasons you hire a competent survey.

$12k for a C&C 30 would be a lot of boat for little money, I would expect the boat to need some work or upgrades as models of that age typically list for twice that price. So don't expect perfection, you are buying onto a quality boat at a budget price, there'll be reasons why.

backcreeksailor 03-24-2009 12:31 PM

It's on the top of my list of considerations for just that reason... It could use some upgrades to things like older style deck hardware, which could be done over time since everything there still works. The previous owner was afraid of the pressurized alcohol stove so it was taken out and tossed in a dumpster without a replacement. The ice box was broken at some point and removed. The teak needs to be refinished. And I'm sure the windows could probably stand to be rebedded. But the rest just appears to be cosmetic clean up.

I think my last real concern is the 16hp Yanmar. I can't really get a history on it other than the previous owner saying that she had it serviced once a year and didn't have any problems with it, (probably just an annual oil and filter change). And the marina owner said it came in under power so he knows that it was working before he hauled it.

You definitely couldn't eat off of it, but at least she wasn't one of those people that spray paints the whole thing silver (including hoses) to try and hide the condition.

So if I assume 40 hours a year without any sort of rebuild ever being done, that would be about 1200 hours... What's the average life expectancy of this engine?

What would I be looking at for an average rebuild/overhaul cost just to put it back into nearly good as new condition?

sailingfool 03-24-2009 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by backcreeksailor (Post 465803)
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What would I be looking at for an average rebuild/overhaul cost just to put it back into nearly good as new condition?

As a ballpark, you would spend about twice the purchase price difference between this boat and one of the sisterships listed at $28,000, which is to say in the area of $30,000, you might save half of this money if you did all the work yourself, although it would be the equivalent of a second job.

If you want to save some money...grab the $28,000 example right out, let the seller take the loss on all the upgrades they've made (assuming the boat is in fact an example worth $28,000). You buy one for only $12,000 and you either live happily with a tired puppy for the life of your ownership, or you get on the money train and spend, spend, spend. The cheap way to own a mint boat is to pay the premium to buy someone else's diamond...the expensive way is to do it yourself.

backcreeksailor 03-24-2009 01:18 PM

Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. I was asking for the average cost to eventually rebuild/overhaul the 16hp Yanmar "Engine Only".

For the rest of the boat, I'm fine with doing the labor myself over time since most of the work is cosmetic in nature and doesn't affect the boat's sailability. Getting out on the water with a boat that is seaworthy for only $12k doesn't sound like bad deal to me.

Just out of curiosity... Where did you come up with the 28K figure? Is that what you're seeing as an average price for this model and year boat?

sailingfool 03-24-2009 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by backcreeksailor (Post 465825)
...Just out of curiosity... Where did you come up with the 28K figure? Is that what you're seeing as an average price for this model and year boat?

Certainly not the average price, more what I'd call the mean high water price.

I used this search for reference 1972 C&C Boats For Sale

I'd say you are grossly underestimating the expense of upgrading an older boat...while the engine rebuild/replacement, at say $7-9,000, is the biggest single expenditure (given you are looking at a boat with a robust solid glass hull), it ain't hard to find another $20,000 in probable costs, if not made by a PO...but the learning experiences of buying cheap and paying again and again is one of the charms of boat ownership. It all depends on your expectations...

backcreeksailor 03-24-2009 02:15 PM

I'm not looking to restore the boat to the point where it's looks like a brand new boat. And I'm not trying to upgrade it to race ready condition or for long haul cruising. I just want to put a little lipstick on the pig so to speak and keep it sail-able and seaworthy mostly for Fair weather Chesapeake Bay pleasure sailing and the occasional overnight to St Michaels, Oxford, etc.

I figure I'll keep it for a few years, and then take whatever I can get out of it to use as a down payment on my next boat.

Doesn't that seem like a reasonable expectation?

Sanduskysailor 03-24-2009 04:18 PM

The Yanmar is a known reliable engine. Rebuilding is an option and certainly cheaper than a replacement. Is it freshwater cooled or raw water? A good insurance policy would to have a competent Yanmar engine guy go over it and do a compression test before you buy the the boat. 1200 hours is not that much if the boat has been properly maintained.

The $12,000 cost seems reasonable if the boat is in overall good condition. What condition are the hatches and portlights. Make sure the cockpit sole is thoroughly checked out by your surveyor. What about the sail inventory and roller furling. Replacing standing or running rigging can get expensive.

Bottom line- make a spreadsheet of all that you thing would need to be replaced or repaired. Add the total cost to your purchase price and see if it makes any sense. My guess is that the total exceeds $18,000 you could do better with a different boat. Try looking for a Great Lakes boat. They usually have lot less wear for the same age boat.

chef2sail 03-24-2009 10:45 PM

30 C&C is a good solid boat for what you are looking for. Our 85 35 MKIII has a yanmar 30GM with 1200 hours and is just broken in. These engines with care go for 4 times that. Hoses, fuel water and oil pumps, injectors will cost about 3 grand. Good Yanmar dealer and mechanics in Rock Hall, and Mr Oliver in Stevensville are Yanmar specialists. Feel free to PM me.

Dave


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