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Well for what it's worth here's my nickle in the juke-box,

What I want:
A working head. It's a much better and safer option than over the rail, and the bucket thing is just nasty.

A self-steering setup. even if it's just a sheet to line rig. Gonna be plenty of times I need to be away from the Helm to get things done.

Coffee maker.

Bookshelves. Love to read almost as much as I love Jazz.

Sound system. Don't need to be fancy. And if it fails, well the i-pod in my head will kick in.

Solid hull and rig. The best safety net is a good boat.

What I'm not worried about, but I'd like.

A destination. It gives you some impetus to get going and set your lines straight. But "The point of the Journey is not to arrive".

Radar. It sucks a bilge-load of juice, but if it even once keeps me from being run over....

A refrigerator. Would be nice, But I have no problems subsisting off of PB and 'taters. Plenty of dried' canned good to leaven it out.

A HAM rig. Makes it cheap to talk to my parental units, and if you can receive it, there's a net for just about everything.


Things I really don't care if I have or not.

Liferaft/epirb. It's just me. If I screw the pooch and wind up sinking my own boat, why shouldn't I pay the price for it?

Speed. I want to be in a given place in a hurry, sailing probably won't get me there in the most expeditious manner.
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A gentleman on another sailing board replied to a question about how your know when you're ready for bluewater by saying "You're ready when you're ready to go without insurance." That one pithy statement basically describes our philosophy about safety equipment & tools. (Disclaimer: we have no dependent parents, no kids, no cat, no dog, not even a houseplant)

Second disclaimer: 12 years of serious bigger-boat sailing experience, US East Coast, Caribbean, Great Lakes, ours and OPB, mostly coastal with some bluewater. Our first destination when we take off this autumn is Bahamas so no radar but 2 reflectors (mostly day hops, little fog), lots of water/fuel tankage, no liferaft, stout boat, jacklines & MOB pole. Our biggest safety feature is an oversized anchor with 100 feet of chain - i.e., wait for settled weather, no schedule.
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The liferaft thing shocks me a bit as most of my distance racing starts in western LIS and does not go futher than Block Island or the Vineyard

A liferaft has been required as long as i can remenber and i dont know anybody with bigger boat dollars that even thinks twice about it
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IZZY,

I have to agree with you neither way is wrong, and that was my point.

CD,

Which specific thoughts would you like for me to express? I was trying to express that with a small boat, and a small amount of money. You can have just as much fun as a big boat.

A large boat, and the funds to care for it is what suits me now. I am much older, ache, not quite so nimble, and not quite so strong either, so the cat suits me now. I would do it all over again in Frolic if need be.
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Damn straight Izzy! I was 6 years old, drinking Benadryl like Kool-Aid AND driving a freakin' Cadillac! And just look at me now!
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IZZY,

I have to agree with you neither way is wrong, and that was my point.

CD,

Which specific thoughts would you like for me to express? I was trying to express that with a small boat, and a small amount of money. You can have just as much fun as a big boat.

A large boat, and the funds to care for it is what suits me now. I am much older, ache, not quite so nimble, and not quite so strong either, so the cat suits me now. I would do it all over again in Frolic if need be.
Now that you have cruised, both large and small, which equipment would you take, not take, consider essential, and only put on board if you had the money?

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Now that you have cruised, both large and small, which equipment would you take, not take, consider essential, and only put on board if you had the money?

Brian
Or what would you find a way to put on board even if you didn't have the money? BTW i2f, I agree with you whole heartedly, It's just hard for me to see why there's ever an argument about it. Maybe that just puts us in the same camp. I'll take that.

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Hmmmmm...Why Wait? What's my philosophy? Now, there's a topic I can address.

First - background. Ever wonder what happened to some of those musicians you saw on the club circuits. They were "the band" that night and once finished they hit the road for another town.
They were the guys that you never heard of that opened for that big act that was your favorite band and they were the guys that everyone called "the roadies". I'm one of those guys. It was a wonderful experience and I never want to do it again. I started sailing when I was 10. Of course while traveling as a musican I didn't get on a boat but about 5 years ago a sailboat came back into my life. At the time I thought it was an accident. I'm not absolutely convinced that god sent me that boat. In fact, my life is a long list of miracles and I have the big guy upstairs to thank for each and every one of them.

Once gone I don't want to have to work. I'm so lazy that I'm running 4 different business's right now in order to make sure I don't have to work in a few more years. It takes time to do that but I'm working my tail off to accomplish it.

I have 4 kids. The two oldest are step-sons from a previous marriage but I have guardianship of them. (Not going to get into the bio-parents turned into worthless pieces of C*** discussion) I'm gonna make sure they graduate high-school before we're out of here. They'll be elgible for every kind of grant and loan out there for college if they decide to go. The two younger ones? I think the educational system is quickly going to hell and it won't be long before the public school system will become worthless. We'll home school them and they'll be better off for it.

Bigger boat with "most" of the equipment? (see 4 kids) We need room for the crew. However, all that extra crew will sure come in handy at times. I think there are some things that will make it possible for me to provide a little better for the safety of the Admiral and crew. As a husband, father and the man of the house this is my responsibility. EPIRB and liferaft, expensive? YES! But these are just some of the items I feel a responsibility to provide in the best interest of my crew (family).

Why go? God put a big beautiful world out there! I think we have an obligation to explore it and I think I have an obligation to show it to the kids. The book Jonathan Livingston Seagull may be pretty descriptive of how I feel about what we're supposed to do with the time we have on this earth.

Dang, my post turned out a lot shorter than I thought it would! Fair winds and full sails to all!
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Hmmmmm...Why Wait? What's my philosophy? Now, there's a topic I can address.

First - background. Ever wonder what happened to some of those musicians you saw on the club circuits. They were "the band" that night and once finished they hit the road for another town.
They were the guys that you never heard of that opened for that big act that was your favorite band and they were the guys that everyone called "the roadies". I'm one of those guys. It was a wonderful experience and I never want to do it again. I started sailing when I was 10. Of course while traveling as a musican I didn't get on a boat but about 5 years ago a sailboat came back into my life. At the time I thought it was an accident. I'm not absolutely convinced that god sent me that boat. In fact, my life is a long list of miracles and I have the big guy upstairs to thank for each and every one of them.

Once gone I don't want to have to work. I'm so lazy that I'm running 4 different business's right now in order to make sure I don't have to work in a few more years. It takes time to do that but I'm working my tail off to accomplish it.

I have 4 kids. The two oldest are step-sons from a previous marriage but I have guardianship of them. (Not going to get into the bio-parents turned into worthless pieces of C*** discussion) I'm gonna make sure they graduate high-school before we're out of here. They'll be elgible for every kind of grant and loan out there for college if they decide to go. The two younger ones? I think the educational system is quickly going to hell and it won't be long before the public school system will become worthless. We'll home school them and they'll be better off for it.

Bigger boat with "most" of the equipment? (see 4 kids) We need room for the crew. However, all that extra crew will sure come in handy at times. I think there are some things that will make it possible for me to provide a little better for the safety of the Admiral and crew. As a husband, father and the man of the house this is my responsibility. EPIRB and liferaft, expensive? YES! But these are just some of the items I feel a responsibility to provide in the best interest of my crew (family).

Why go? God put a big beautiful world out there! I think we have an obligation to explore it and I think I have an obligation to show it to the kids. The book Jonathan Livingston Seagull may be pretty descriptive of how I feel about what we're supposed to do with the time we have on this earth.

Dang, my post turned out a lot shorter than I thought it would! Fair winds and full sails to all!

Good post Roady...

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What I will be taking is what came with the boat.

Radar does come in handy, but I would not buy it to leave.

I have 4 GPS. 2 handheld, 1 wall mounted, and one usb port Maptech.

I have an EPIRB, but it came with the boat also. I would not buy one if money was tight.

A 170gl. watermaker came with the boat, and I truly appreciate it. Once again if money was tight I would not buy one. I have a large bimini that will catch water. There is a hole in the rear bulkhead where a hose funnels down to 6 5gl. cans that we can fill quickly. We carry 180 gallons of water, and that will go a long way with only 2 people.

I have a small 2k Honda generator that fulfills our needs plus some. This I would want no matter what. It is perfect for power tools. I have fixed a hole in my bow when I was hit in the middle of the night. This while at anchor, and I painted the boo boo too.

Solar & wind to me is a necessity. They served me well during our cruising. 4 6amp solars, and a KISS wind generator served our needs.

We have refridgeration with a small ice box. It will make 6 trays of cubes in several hours in the Caribbean. I would not want to do without this, but I would if it made a difference of me leaving, or not.

We have a house freezer that's 2.1 cubic feet, and this will run off of an inverter with the motors running. For a couple of years we used this successfully running it in the middle of the day for a couple of hours. Of course this varied if we had to motor from spot to spot. This I can take, or leave, but it is nice being able to carry more than a month's worth of meat. Before I bought the house freezer we did use the little one by repackaging all meats, and stuffing the poor thing like a turkey.

SSB is great for getting weather, but I would leave without one.

I have been carrying around this sextant since 92, and have never learned to use it. This time I will take it with us, and use it properly as a tool for navigation. Hopefully soon the GPS will be just a backup.

My harness goes where I go. I love my harness it saved my life. I was thrown off my boat as I typed before, and then drug back up onto the house.

Extra sails are needed. I will start with recent headsails, and a new main. Keeping the old main as a backup. I do have a couple of old headsails already, and 2 spinnakers of different sizes.

Barometer is useful if there is no SSB to gather weather.

I carry no life raft, because my boat will be the most stable life raft I can have. Plus it is all wood with collision bulkheads. The deck, roof, and side walls to the windows all carry 1 1/2" floating insulation.

What I want is to build a sailing dink just in case the boat burns to the waterline, and I need to sail out of there.

Paper charts for intended destinations with detail. Paper charts for passages of oceans with a wee bit of detail. This in case the laptop dies. I love the chart plotter, becuase of it's instant knowledge. I did Mexico with GPS, and paper. Paper charts a must, and chart plotter a luxury.

Frolic taught me how to get by with nearly nothing. I had no windlass, watermaker, chart plotter, refridgeration of any kind. I had radar, because S.F. Bay can be pea soup in the summer. It did allow me to sail around weather a couple of times, and pick out a reef in a dire situation.

NEEDED

paper charts
sextant
GPSs
large water tankage,
extra sails
2k generator
manual windlass
autopilot
harness
proper PFD's
/ what am I forgetting?

If I had the money I would buy a liferaft, sea anchor, and drouge. I wouldn't add anything else, and as you can read I can do without many of the luxuries, at least luxuries to me, that are now on board.

Imagine was built with no access to shorepower. She had no hot water heater. There is a funnel in the vanity to pour hot water from a tea kettle into a seperate shower tank for a warm shower. She was built to be on the hook, and to have very few needs for power.

She is large, but she is a simple & modest boat. I like it that way Even her crane to hoist the dink is only a 1" piece of stainless tubing that attaches to the main halyard. I am sure more will come to mind......i2f
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