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Hi all, I''d appreciate any and all advice!...My wife and I ( and our two girls 4 and 7), moved to the East Coast of Canada about 4 years ago, and have always talked about buying a small sailboat ( how can we live on the ocean and not do this, we always said!)...Recently we came into a little money ( $5,000 U.S) and before we wittle it away on food and clothing, we thought we''d have a look for a boat....Of course this isn''t exactly the best time of year ( most of the boats are away for the season), but have managed to find the following boats...Assuming reasonable condition on all, any preferences? ...1979 Goman 20, 1975 Mc Vay Bluenose 23....1972 Paceship Bluejacket 23.1975 Paceship P23 .. Keep in mind we''re new to sailing so need something forgiving, we mainly want to sail around our small bay, so a full cabin is not necessary ....Thanks for your help!!

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Of the boats on your list the Paceship P23 is the clear best choice for what you want to do. I owned a nearly identical Grampian built version of the Blue Jacket 23. These are neat boats but not exactly forgiving and they do not have self-bailing cockpits.

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Thanks for your advice Jeff, the only problem for me is that the p23 is slightly out of my price range, and I''m not sure if I can swing it.....I went and looked at the Goman Express 20 today, and I liked it...The cockpit was fairly big, and it seems fairly well laid out( read... it seems more basic, and less daunting to one as unseasoned as myself!) It''s kind of boxy looking, but somehow that''s reassuring to me....I ''m not sure I need or want a full cabin ( galley and all) although I''m sure my wife( and daughters) would appreciate a head! Am I being short sighted?...Any feelings at all about this boat?

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Thanks for your advice Jeff, the only problem for me is that the p23 is slightly out of my price range, and I''m not sure if I can swing it.....I went and looked at the Goman Express 20 today, and I liked it...The cockpit was fairly big, and it seems fairly well laid out( read... it seems more basic, and less daunting to one as unseasoned as myself!) It''s kind of boxy looking, but somehow that''s reassuring to me....I ''m not sure I need or want a full cabin ( galley and all) although I''m sure my wife( and daughters) would appreciate a head! Am I being short sighted?...Any feelings at all about this boat?

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Would suggest that in cold Canadian waters, a self-bailing cockpit is a good idea. If you like the P23, the thing to do is to make an offer of what you can afford for it. Even if the asking price is much higher, they might be under pressure to sell quickly, and (surprise!!) accept your offer. The worst they can say is no, and even then, you''re no worse off for having tried. The alternative is to keep looking.
With two daughters of my own, my advice is to get the largest possible boat you can afford, because you will need it desperately in five years or less. My personal slant is towards the J/fleet. Though J/24''s in your price range might be pretty tired, if there are some in your area, one of them might make sense. Their large cockpits and decks are ample for cruising and daysailing, and they''re fun to sail. Not much headroom or privacy, though, and if they''re not available where you are, the point''s moot.
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My family''s first boat was a Pearson Ensign, which can be found in your price range. We were very happy with this boat. These boats are 22 and 1/2 feet long and have a full keel. They were built mostly in the 1960s and 1970s but there are still many around, and still some racing fleets. They were very solidly constructed. They are not fast by today''s standards (because of the full keel) but are very forgiving and have a very large cockpit that is comfortable for a family and guests.

You will not find many listed for sale on yachtworld.com and other similar web-sites (because of their comparatively low prices), but a Google search will get you to official and unofficial web-sites devoted specifically to them, and to Pearsons, generally.
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How about a Catalina 22? I saw one for sale in the paper today...( I''m trying to find something decent nearby to avoid any accesive transportation, hence my small choice list!) Anyone?

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sorry, the Catalina is the swing keel model...What is that! Is it ok?

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pearson seems likes nice boats. there''s a 1980 26''er for sale near me. good condition. too small for my needs though. so I passed. although it''s only $3500, including trailer. bad time to sell a sailboat now I guess.
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M. Paul - several thousand Tanzer 22 were built in Canada between 1970 and 1988? They have a large cockpit and are heavy stable boats that would fit your price range (check out www.tanzer22.com)
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