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Well. I'm glad some of the myths concerning the W32 have been laid to rest.
I think Bob said it best all those years ago

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'In my youth I argued long and hard against the Westsail
type in order to attract attention to my own 'performance
cruiser' goal. I felt certain that the Westsail
suocess...was created by a myth ...... I remember one sunny day
reaching back from Catalina in a well known and performance
respected 40-footer. we slowly overtook a W32. we had about
20 knots apparent and the apparent wind was at about 65
degrees. This Westsail had a big drifter reacher up and it
was really moving along. It took us a painful long time to
pull clear ahead. I earned a new respect for the that, little
Westsail. `
I changed the bolded word.
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I forgot that but now you bring it up I remember that day well.

That was the day after I learned what a "sand line" was.
"Grab the what?"
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G:
I forgot that but now you bring it up I remember that day well.

That was the day after I learned what a "sand line" was.
"Grab the what?"
Is that like a traffic cone?

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More or less. More like a parking lane.
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NorCal YRA uses the straight regression formula for calculating PHRF. Very few boats outside the custom builds have highly modified numbers. I usually don’t see boats more than six seconds off of their calculated number. In my experience, the speed potential for “high number” boats drops off significantly when the winds lighten – much more so than the lower PHRF numbered boats. I think the issue is one of weight (other than ballast). Which I think is also the root cause of the complaint “my boat doesn’t sail to its number”.

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George:
I think you are correct. And that light auir advantage of the lighter boat is reflected in the lower, i.e. faster rating.

Over the last 35 years I have been consistantly surprised at just how close most initial, "provisional" PHRF ratings are to the actual performance of the boat. The data bank is huge now.

Please check out my new blog entry at:
Yacht Design According to Perry

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Thanks for the input. I don't race and my boats aren't rated. But I observe that the modern fin keel boats that pass my heavy full keel ketch in light air struggle to keep up in a fresh breeze. They are also getting tossed about then while I'm making a sandwich with the helm lashed. I also enjoy quick lively boats, my first keelboat was 20', one ton, lots of fun. But the ketch is way more comfortable.
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For the record, and just so we're all clear, tubes absolutely smoke solid state, when it applies to the response given to my Les Paul. There's nothing left to discuss.
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Money:
I have two bass amps. One, John Eden, has tube pre amp and the other, my back up, a big Peavy lets you chose between either ss or tube pre amp stage. The Eden is so good I never use the Peavy but my son preferred it. For many years I used a big ol' Ampeg bass amp, SV, with all tubes. That amp still sells 40 years later.

For my office hi-fi amp I bought some exotic, American, "new old stock" tubes to replace the Russian tubes, Sovtec, that came stock. Not sure the Russian tubes were not superior but I left the fancy tubes in anyway. I should switch back some day and see if I can still hear a difference. It's all fun.
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@Bob
I'm a huge "Eden" mark, but never owned one. As to the Ampeg, however, it was my #1 back in my bass playing days. I still, however, use my Peavey tuber every week with my LP. That thing is soooo hard to kill. As for the great "tube debate", I wouldn't know a Sovtek from a 60's RCA if I was staring at both! All I know is if they are glowing red or not. Even that is up for debate in some circles, lol.
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