Catalina 42 for bluewater? - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > On Board > Boat Review and Purchase Forum
 Not a Member? 


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 06-09-2009
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 12
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
luisasail is on a distinguished road
Catalina 42 for bluewater?

I am considering buying a Catalina 42 for a trip down the east coast to the Caribbean. Ergonomically, it meets our expectations but I am concerned about its ability to cruise well in open water. She has a 4'6" wing keel and a displacement of 18500. I would love to hear from anyone who has a Catalina 42 and especially if you have experience sailing this vessel in open water.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #2  
Old 06-09-2009
Big Chicken Baby
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 410
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 6
Mimsy is on a distinguished road
We came really, really close to purchasing a Catalina 42. They are really nice boats. After asking the opinions of several owners and several really knowledgeable sailors, the consensus we came up with is that the Cat 42 would be fine for limited off shore work- such as US to Carribbean. For an Atlantic or Pacific crossing, you'd probably be better off and more comfortable in a more traditional "blue water" boat.

The biggest worry for me was the flatter hull and lighter construction.
__________________
S/V Ceol Mor
42 Nassau

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Our little blog has moved!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #3  
Old 06-09-2009
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 12
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
BlandingFarm is on a distinguished road
Catalina Worldwide

Catalina has more boats that have sailed around the world than any "bluewater" boat.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4  
Old 06-09-2009
ASA and PSIA Instructor
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,448
Thanks: 6
Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts
Rep Power: 15
sailingfool will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlandingFarm View Post
Catalina has more boats that have sailed around the world than any "bluewater" boat.
Hmmm..spoken with such confidence...gotta wonder where it comes from. How about this bluewater success story?
EQUIPPED TO SURVIVE (tm) - Lessons Learned: Sailing to Hawaii...The First Attempt by Arnold Rowe

(Not to slam Cats, as they are to me a commendable coastal cruiser...)
__________________
Certified...in several regards...

Last edited by sailingfool; 06-09-2009 at 06:04 PM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #5  
Old 06-09-2009
Big Chicken Baby
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 410
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 6
Mimsy is on a distinguished road
Just an FYI, to the OP- you might want to take a look at all of the posts fron Blanding Farm. It is pretty apparent that he has a very, very strong bias for Catalina and even admits to at one point "being involved in the manufacturing". Not a reason to dismiss his opinion, but it does show a definite bias.

I do not think there is only one boat that will handle open water and as Isaid, I almost bought a 42. That being said, a light displacement boat simply can not be expected to handle extreme weather conditions that onem ight encounter in the open ocean. For a short period of time, you will most likely be fine. Island hopping, one week passages- no problem. Cruising round the world, you might make it in one piece but how uncomfortable do you want to be and how well will your crew hold up to days of pounding?
__________________
S/V Ceol Mor
42 Nassau

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Our little blog has moved!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #6  
Old 06-09-2009
owe owe is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
owe is on a distinguished road
FYI I just purchased a C42mk1 in Australia. The boat sailed out from the US east coast 56 days straight by the previous owner.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #7  
Old 06-09-2009
Big Chicken Baby
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 410
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 6
Mimsy is on a distinguished road
People cross oceans in row boats. That being said, I don't want to even try it. A skilled sailor can sail just about anything, anywhere.

Most people do not need a true blue water boat. We are planning a hop across the Gulf, spending a year in the Carribbean and the East Coast. A 42 would have met our needs just fine. In fact,had it not been for a seller who was difficult to get a hold of during negotiations I would own a Catalina 42. I really like them, they are gorgeous boats and I was ready to "put my money where my mouth is" so to speak.

The only reasons for us buying a heavier boat is that A: I like the security of a sturdier boat and B: we will be moving back to Europe eventually and wanted the option of sailing across the Atlantic and C: it was the right deal at the right time. My husband is an experienced sailor and would have crossed in a Catalina, but not with me and the 9 year old. He felt that the flatter hull andlighter displacement would be a bit much for us to be comfortable with.

I love Catalina's, I just think if you are seriously considering doing a lot of open ocean passages, there are boats that are better suited to the task. Most people don't really need a boat designed to handle really rough conditions. Most passages are fine- sailing is safer than driving after all. Its just that if I am that unlucky person who has the freaky weird passage where everything goes wrong, I'd rather have a vessel designed to handle it.

I drive a small SUV. I drive it to handle the awful pot holes and the minor street flooding we deal with all the time. I know I could handle a bit of mud with my higher suspension. If I wanted to do true off road driving in 18 inches of mud with steep inclines, I would choose another vehicle that is more suited for the job at hand.
__________________
S/V Ceol Mor
42 Nassau

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Our little blog has moved!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #8  
Old 06-09-2009
GeorgeB's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Alameda, San Francisco Bay
Posts: 1,503
Thanks: 1
Thanked 36 Times in 35 Posts
Rep Power: 10
GeorgeB is on a distinguished road
No offense, but Blandingís experience was atypical. If you want a more honest appraisal of the Catalina 36ís capabilities, please do some research on their ownerís website (C36IA.com). My personal opinion is that PANDAís issues were more in a preparation nature than a design one. (Full Disclosure: I was the chief measurer for the C34IA for over five years and have inspected countless boats during that time.) My dock neighbor used to sail his C36 out of King Salmon Ak. (on the Bearing Sea). He later sailed it down to San Francisco with one stop in Victoria BC.

I personally have about 500nm in the C42 (Pullman berth model) and have sailed her in winds in excess of 40kts and a sea state running 12 to 15. I had no problems helming her. I think your 18,500# displacement is off. The sling weight for a fin keel model is in excess of 20,000# and I know that the wing keels are heavier. There lies the rub, they are heavy, and they donít surf very fast. You will expect speeds in the low teens (13, 14kts max). My personal best in that boat is 11.8kts. They will run all day in the 10-11 range. As to open ocean, I personally know people who have raced their C42 to Hawaii, cruised to New Zealand and others who have cruised to Mexico and Central America. My personal preference would be towards a fin keel and not a wing, but other than that, the C42 is more boat than you need to make a trip down the Coast and into the Carib. Again, if you want an honest assessment, I suggest you go to the Catalina42.org owners website.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #9  
Old 06-09-2009
erikdj's Avatar
Emerging Sailor
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Berkeley Marina, San Francisco, CA
Posts: 46
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
erikdj is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimsy View Post
People cross oceans in row boats. That being said, I don't want to even try it. A skilled sailor can sail just about anything, anywhere.
There's a young Australian man, Nick Jaffe, doing that right now in a 26 foot Contessa . I was out in 25 knot winds last weekend in the San Francisco Bay (typical summer afternoon), in my 28 foot Glastron Spirit 28 and while am quite comfortable and confident in her ability to handle that and much more, I still thought... no way would I sail a boat this size into the open water. Yes people do it and a skilled person with good weather, smart planning and the grace of god and a tail wind can indeed cross oceans.

It comes down to your skill and that of your crew, the conditions you expect to encounter and a fudge factor for the conditions you don't expect.

Erik
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #10  
Old 06-09-2009
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 1,174
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 14
k1vsk will become famous soon enough
I really think there are people who think it makes them sound more authoritative or knowledgeable by criticizing a particular boat manufacturer. Years ago, while sitting in a Pacific island moto with a bunch of other cruisers who also sailed there from distance origins, we were all complaining about maintenance, breakages, dinghy motors, etc... and not one person ever complained about either their or somebody else's boat brand. This was typical of the conversation when cruisers got together.

It seems to me this criticism garbage of brand names is limited to the internet...
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
MacGregor 22 vs. Catalina 22 lastmate Boat Review and Purchase Forum 22 11-13-2012 04:12 PM
Catalina 270? jbarros Boat Review and Purchase Forum 11 07-27-2008 03:41 PM
Catalina 309 & the Catalina Association Siamese General Discussion (sailing related) 4 07-24-2007 09:22 PM
The Catalina 310 Micca Hutchins Buying a Boat Articles 0 10-07-1999 08:00 PM
The Catalina 310 Micca Hutchins Racing Articles 0 10-07-1999 08:00 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:18 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.