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Any opinions on the blue water capabilites of an older C & C 35? Granted, her systems would need to be in top shape, but I''m interested in opinions on how well this design is or isn''t acceptable as a "blue water'' cruiser. (Either model, Mark 1 or Mark 2) Thanks!
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Looked at (for purchase) a Mk I that had been raced Newport-Bermuda a number of times - like 5. She was pretty beat, but seemed to have made the trips OK. (Nothing that some awlgrip couldn''t improve.) Crossing the Gulf Stream can be nastier than the Atlantic, even though going to Bermuda is a lot quicker. Concerns I''d look into would be having sufficient storage space and water for long hauls, and making sure the hull and deck coring weren''t delaminated anywhere.
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Thanks for the feedback paulk. Some of the items you mentioned, I also had listed for concerns. I think some time back I read an article that mentioned the decks are balsam-cored, and that moisture can be a real problem.Anyway, I single-hand most of the time and the 35 caught my eye because of it''s deck layout.
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If you singlehand a lot, I would suggest that you look for a fractional rigged boat or at least a boat with a proportionately bigger mainsail and smaller jib than the C&C. While a small mainsail big jib boat can be short handed, having spent a lot of time singlehanding both a fractional rig is wildly much easier to trim and tack and much easier to handle in changeable conditions.

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Could you please recommend any fractional rigged boats in the 32-35ft.range that have the following characteristics: (1) can be easily sailed single-handed (2)are blue water capable (3) have a decent turn of speed
(4)draft no more than 6ft.(5)good storage area.Your comments would be greatly appreciated.

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Until fairly recently Farctional rigs were primarily used on raceboats. As hardware has improved they are becoming far more common. The Europeans really pioneered Frac cruisers so their are more of them. Here''s a quick partial list.

Beneteau First 36.7- New Farr designed 36 footer. Very nice boats. I have been racing on her larger sister. The boat that I have been on has done close to 10,000 miles offshore and still looks like new. Not your father''s Beneteau.

Contessa 33. I have spent a lot of time on these boats. They are really spectacularly wonderful boats. Build quality was super. They sail well and have a very ingenious layout.

Dehler Optima 101 (35)- This would be very high on my list. Good all around boats.

Dehler 35 CWS- Well build and neat detailing. Not exactly my favorite but good boats.

Dehler 34 (Dehler 34 top)(Dehler Optima 101)
These are three subtly different boats. I look at an Optima 101 for myself and really liked the boat but ws a little small for what I wanted (I ended up with a 38 footer).

Farr 1020; These would be near the top of my list. Great little boats.

Hanse 341: I have been very impressed with Hanse. This is a little known German company in the US but they are very respected in the EU. Except for some minor details, I have have liked what I have seen of thier boats.

J 109- Cool new boats. I have not sailed one but if you can afford a new boat this would be a be a good one.

Sea Sprite 34: This is a more traditional design and one that I don''t know exceptionally well. These would not be high perforance boats but they have always struck me as well built, sensible and attractive.

Sigma 33: I knew a couple that had done the transatlantic, the Carribean and US Atlantic in one. I would try to find a non race version as the race version is very stark.


Sigma 35- Older English boats. Well constructed and nicely detailed.

X-342 X boats are more on the racier end of the scale but seem well done.

I am afraid that I am out of time this morning.

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Jeff, Thanks a lot for the list of recommended boats. Some of the ones you listed I''ve been looking at on the net, but didn''t know if they were fractional or not. You''ve given me plenty to mull over. Thanks again!
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The current issue of "Cruising World" has a "classic boat" review of the C&C 35. You might want to track that down.
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Thanks dtfm,
My issue of CW just came yesterday. I did take a look at the article on the 35.The differences between the Mk1 and Mk2 are interesting.They are the same boat, but very different.I really like the specs.on the Mk2 ( longer water line,and heavier displacement) and still have it on my "possible list." Jeff H made some very good recommendations and I''m exploring them as well.
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I am just about to purchase a 1980 C&C 25 Mk2 and have a few concerns. Firstly, the mast step the deck has be depressed by about 3/4" below decks is solid. I had the boat surveyed by a very reputable surveyor who said that the step compression was not structural and it was a concern what do you think? I am considering leaving the mast up until spring 2004 and then have it taken down and have the deck fixed. should I be concerned and do it now> or should I walk away from the boat?
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