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Seaworthiness and seakindliness have a lot more to do with the design of the boat and how it will handle heavy weather. The Catalina 30 was designed as a coastal cruiser and is relatively lightly built. Just adding a storm jib to it isn't going to really help much since it is sadly lacking in other areas.

For instance, the interior of the Catalina 30 is fairly spacious and has a lack of good handholds which are a necessity for moving about the cabin safely in heavy weather.

The Catalina 30 has a spade rudder versus a keel or skeg-hung rudder.

The Catalina 30 has no real bridgedeck to prevent downflooding if the boat should be pooped. The companionway is rather wide and the drop boards are tapered, meaning they can come out rather easily if the boat is knocked down.

Catalina 30 Mk II cockpit:



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You're really better off starting your own thread asking for recommendations after explaining what your purpose for the boat is. I'd also highly recommend you read the POST in my signature, as it'll help you get the most out of your time on Sailnet.


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Thanks for your answer. Could you be more specific on the seaworthyness? - I have only experience with a very stable full keel boat. Do you think having a good Storm Jib can keep the Catalina enough stable in the waves? Are there any other 'adjustments' to make her more seaworthy? Because I dont believe in always finding the right weather conditions - if your trip is long enough sooner or later it gets you... Are there any other advantages/disadvantages that you could share with me about these two boats, or recommendations?

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Is there anything in your guidelines about posting pics that are over 2000 pixels wide?
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LOL... I was on a work computer, not my personal one, and didn't have the software installed to upload the re-sized image...Still at work... will upload and link to the re-sized image instead of using the one I linked to when I get home. BTW, it doesn't look too bad when you're using a 30" monitor like I am at the moment.
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LOL... I was on a work computer, not my personal one, and didn't have the software installed to upload the re-sized image...Still at work... will upload and link to the re-sized image instead of using the one I linked to when I get home. BTW, it doesn't look too bad when you're using a 30" monitor like I am at the moment.
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So, once question about the Cape Dory steering setup you showed (which seems to be standard). I really mislike the 'steering wheel' (sorry for my missing jargon), and would like to have a normal tiller. Also with the compass on top and the steering wheel it seems that you cannot steer the boat while sitting down but actually have to stand up. How much is it to replace that (on average)? And 2nd, so you cannot transform the outside area in to a bed right? (I have just cruised with a performance which had that and thought it is great)!!
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It sounds like you are interested in quite a bit of off shore stuff. Have you thought about moving your size requirements up a bit? When I was searching for my first sailboat I was thinking small and manageable and I wound up with a CT-41 ketch! Glad I did because the comfort, stability, and safety of the larger, heavier, full keeled boat was the way to go. I know the dock fees increase by the foot but in the long run there are a lot of bargains out there and for the same price as the Cape Dory 30 you could get into a much more comfortable and seaworthy boat. Just a thought.
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XINI,

The Cape Dory 30 was actually offered with 3 different steering options. The one in the picture above is the Edson Pedestal option. If you want to see the compass or electronics with this setup, you really need to stand but you can steer sitting down otherwise. There was also a schooner style which utilizes a worm gear drive. This option is less responsive but very rugged and doesn't take up much cockpit space. They also offered a tiller option but not many were rigged that way.

It is certainly possible to convert from wheel to tiller on these boats. The top of the rudder post is easily accessible and all of the hardware exists to make the swap without custom fabrication.

If you are really interested in a Cape Dory, I would suggest looking at capedory.org as well since it is dedicated to these boats.
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LOL... I was on a work computer, not my personal one, and didn't have the software installed to upload the re-sized image...Still at work... will upload and link to the re-sized image instead of using the one I linked to when I get home. BTW, it doesn't look too bad when you're using a 30" monitor like I am at the moment.

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Thank you, that is very useful information.
I definitely dont wanna have to stand up, so at least I need to remount the compass, e.g. aside the seacock, which I think is the best place to have.
How much do you think it would cost to replace the wheel with a tiller (approx.)?
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What kind of computer doesn't have Microsoft Paint??!
It isn't the resizing of the photo that was the issue, but the posting of it to my website, because I don't have the SSH certificate I need for accessing my webserver on my client's computers...
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