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trailerable

I've seen Lake Erie go to blue water style waves quick time from calm. Your pictures of the turmoil are quite informative.
As to a trailerable sailboat for the lake. I have just purchased a 26M from MacGregor ( no personal info as of yet, it gets here ( Long Island ) in 9 days ( but who's counting )). You can check the MacGregor site for a video of a 26M in Gale conditionds. Trailer weight is under 3000 pounds.

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Not going to tow them with a Jeep

Before this thread spins out of control into a Macgregor bash fest, let me comment.

You might want to check out John Vigors 20 small boats to take you anywhere and add an Albin Vega and International Folkboat to your list. I am looking for a boat in a similar category to you and know your constraints. I have a V-8 explorer and probably have a slightly larger towing capacity than you and know of no boat in this category that will be towed comfortably by anything less than a 1/2 ton pickup with a 3/4 ton recommended. Figure aroun 5-6 thousand pounds for the boat, 7-8 thousand on the trailer.

Also concider this boat while being on a trailer is not trailerable. It will take a major effort to get this thing in the water and ready to sail figure 2+ hours. Not something you want to drop into the lake for an afternoon sail. Other thoughts may be a Montgomery 17 or a ranger 23, both light enough to tow, and capable sailors.
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Here's a link to James Baldwin's site - the section on choosing a small capable boat for offshore use. Atom Voyages | Voyages Aboard the Sailboat Atom -* Good Old Boats List - choosing a* small voyaging sailboat
The linked page lists many boats and gives brief descriptions of each as well a stheir appropriate web links.
The whole site is well worth a read through as it's full of good information.
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That is a great list! Good info on that website. Thank you.
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MacGregor bashfest?

As I was the only one who I saw posted 'MacGregor'. Perhaps you would clarify your statment.
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As I was the only one who I saw posted 'MacGregor'. Perhaps you would clarify your statment.
I suspect he was just referring to a tendency sometimes seen on this forum for folks to make comments about the rough-weather and sailing capability of some MacGregor models. I think he did not intend to imply anything negative about MacGregors, instead he was hoping to preempt the usual gratuitous comments by refocussing the conversation on trailering. Let's hope he succeeded.

So, congrats on your new boat and how many more days until delivery? (Who's counting right? )

P.S. Back on topic, I'm a fan of that tough little PSC25 (if headroom isn't important to you). Another good candidate for the O.P. might be the Tartan 27, a full-keel/centerboarder. Pretty tough to tow without a truck or Suburban, though.
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I sailed from Milwaukee to White Lake, then to Pentwater and then back to Milwaukee on a Precision 23. We motored over due to lack of wind, and had a great sail (2-3 foot waves during the day, and 4-5 at night) on the way back. We covered about 70 miles on the return trip. In any case, the optimal size of the boat depends on a lot of factors including the captain/crew and just as important, your schedule. The C22 can certainly handle a lot of rough weather but it may not be comfortable. I would take my O'Day 222 across if I had the right weather window, but I wouldn't want to be in a situation where I had to go on a day when the weather was deteriorating significantly. It's not that I don't think I could handle a lot of situations (I have roller furling on the jib, and two reef points in the main and the boat is setup well for coastal cruising), it's just that it would be uncomfortable at best and you are pushing the envelope a bit if things really get bad. In my opinion, if you want to do this quite frequently, then something in the 25 foot range or bigger would be better (e.g., Catalina 25, O'Day 25 or 26, Seaward 25, etc.). But there is a tradeoff. Launching, retrieving and towing is more of a hassle unless you are on Michigan a lot. If you are flexible on when you cross (both ways), you may want to consider going across with your current boat assuming it is properly equipped. I'm probably going to do that next year with my O'Day. Or, just charter one and go across. Just my two cents.

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I've seen Lake Erie go to blue water style waves quick time from calm. Your pictures of the turmoil are quite informative.
As to a trailerable sailboat for the lake. I have just purchased a 26M from MacGregor ( no personal info as of yet, it gets here ( Long Island ) in 9 days ( but who's counting )). You can check the MacGregor site for a video of a 26M in Gale conditionds. Trailer weight is under 3000 pounds.

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I don't know where you got the under 3000# quote from but you are very mistaken.
I own a 2003 26M and can assure you the trailered weight is much closer to 4000# especially when you have an engine with two full gas tanks two batteries and all your supplies and provisions. A class 3 tow hitch and vehicle is required along with a longer wheel base.
There is no way a MacGregor will survive the turmoil in those pictures, you'd be a gonner. As far as the video you mention, I have watched it, and even though seeing is believing, few sailors would take a Mac out in gale force winds. Small craft, absolutely, I do it all the time, but when the winds start gusting over 30 knots it is long overdue to head back, I call it quits at 25 knots - 20-25 is on the edge for me but I can still handle it.
Congrats on your new Mac, it will give you years of enjoyment, I am on season 7 with mine and have never looked back, it is a great boat for its' intended venues but ocean going it isn't. I sail the Pacific Northwest.

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Thank you Capt Kermie,
Truely , the boat empty , weighs <2600 pounds. Add a motor and the weight of the trailor and you are hovering at around 4000 pounds. My bad!
Appreciate your putting things in the proper perspective.
I hope you enjoy your 26M.

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