Herreshoff 12.5 - little confused...

AndrewMac · #1 (**permalink**) 10-08-2009

Hi - my sister has asked me to help her research a 12.5 as she would like to buy her first boat. (btw, before anyone suggests alternatives, I should say her heart is totally set on it). Anyway, I have been trying to find out as much as I can, and I've noticed that there seems to be a lot of variations all of which look quite similar. I've seen a Haven, a Doughdish 12.5, another Doughdish that looks identical except is 15ft LOA (as opposed to 16 ft LOA for the 12.5) and a 17 ft LOA version (14 ft LWL) that was apparently designed by Herreshoff's son. I've heard that Cape Cod Boat Builders bought the molds and are making new and also selling used versions.

Anyway, I was hoping that someone might be able to outline certain things to be aware of/look out for etc. There seem to be a number of different builders - I assume some are better than others? I should note that she would like a fiberglass hull and is attracted to brass fittings, etc.

Appreciate any help/advice from the SN community...thanks!

tommays · #2 (**permalink**) 10-08-2009

I have a friend who bought one new loves

it really cost big bucks

AndrewMac · #3 (**permalink**) 10-08-2009

Yeah - I was amazed at how pricey they were! Seems like one in good condition is $20k-$25k - yikes. Anyway, I tried persuading her to look at other options but, as I said, her heart seems to be set on it.

blt2ski · #4 (**permalink**) 10-08-2009

To make this worst IIRC, some have full keels, other a CB version! Altho the CB may not be a true Herreshoff design, but another persons take the hull etc and make it a CB. I'm also recalling a gaff vs marconi mainsail option too.

Look like nice little daysailers. Reality is, 20-25K for one, not bad when you look at a M36 for what, half a mil! talk about ouch! or a mil+ for the 42 or 52 versions. Have not seen a price for the 28 or 29' version........

Marty

sahara · #5 (**permalink**) 10-08-2009

These are wonderful little boats, there is also a Joel White version called the Haven.

The Doughdish, the H 12-1/2 and the Bulls Eye are all the same hull. The bulls eye has a cuddy cabin and more deck up front for rougher waters. I think the Doughdish is a "high end" model. Older Bulls Eyes can be had pretty cheap, and there are a lot of them in New England.

The glass 12-1/2's and Bulls Eyes are built by Cape Cod shipbuilding, the Doughdish is built by Edey and Duff. Still, the sail area, hull shape, ballast, etc., are all the same. The Haven is a centerboard version, in case 2' 6" draft is too much

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If she wants to spend big bucks, go new, go doughdish. The Bulls Eye has active racing fleets up the New England coast, I think any 12 1/2 is probably welcome. There are still a lot of the old wooden ones sailing.

For a first boat, the Bullseyes are tough as a cob and cheap, I think with aluminum spars. The H 12 1/2 and the Doughdish have wooden spars and a more classic look. All are terrific little boats.

AndrewMac · #6 (**permalink**) 10-08-2009

Sahara/blt2ski - thanks for the feedback. They do seem like great little boats and probably quite easy to handle with the self tacking jib. I noticed that the bullseye was a good deal more economical, but she's definitely attracted to the shiny stuff (brass fittings, wood spars, etc.)...so it sounds like that's primarily the H 12.5 and the Doughdish.

paulk · #7 (**permalink**) 10-08-2009

If she's set on the design, but you haven't picked one out yet, you could try contacting the International Yacht Restoration School in Newport, RI. They typically fix up tired Hereshoff 12 .5's for sale.

scottmillington · #8 (**permalink**) 10-09-2009

try calling Classic Boat shop in Bernard Me. The build and repair these boats.

Scott Millington

AndrewMac · #9 (**permalink**) 10-09-2009

Thanks for the suggestions. Looks like the International Yacht Restoration School only works on wooden boats. Tried the Classic Boat shop. Looks like they have a wood hull Haven, but no full keel glass 12.5's - although they do have an intersting looking Herreshoff design called a Petrel 21 that seems about the same price (haven't seen these before). A little bigger, but has the benefit of a couple berths and head. Appreciate the ideas - thanks!

scottmillington · #10 (**permalink**) 10-09-2009

The guys at classic boats are real craftmen. If your sister is interested in and heirloom, I wood advise purchasing the wood boat. Either rig set up is available and both sail great. I had a friend that had Classic boat build his. He kept it for 5 years and sold it for what he paid for it.( sold it because he had too many boats, including a center harbor 31, cold molded wood from brooklin boat yard.