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AndrewMac 10-15-2009 09:33 AM

Wood vs. Fiberglass
My question is: assuming two boats with identical designs, what are the different performance characteristics of wood versus fiberglass?

By way of background, I am looking to upgrade from an ensign to a 28ft-30ft daysailer/weekender. I had only been considering fiberglass, but have come across a wooden boat that I am very interested in. The boat would be sailed primarily along the Maine Coast, from Penobscot Bay to Frenchman's Bay where the sea conditions rarely exceed 2'-4' and the winds are generally light to moderate southwesterlies in the summer. I am painfully aware of the maintenance issues presented by wood, so I'm really asking here about the performance issues as I have primarily sailed/owned fiberglass.

Appreciate any input..


deniseO30 10-15-2009 09:51 AM

wood will flex and groan, essentually "talking" to the helmsperson and instilling feelings of terror or charm depending on their disposition. Before there was glass.. there was only wood. Being in Maine you would belong to long standing maritime tradition. I'd say that wooden boats have sharper lines then fiberglass, since FG gets its strenth in it's curves. It would be interesting to see the performance results of 2 boats with the same design in wood and glass.

JomsViking 10-15-2009 09:57 AM

Wooden boats are many things nowadays.. Are you talking of a traditional wooden constructions or cold-molded?
Cold molded constructions may be lighter and faster than a comparable GRP boat (and relatively easy to maintain).

blt2ski 10-15-2009 10:03 AM

Locally there is a fleet of 25' T-Birds, then again, the fleet and design started south of me in the Tacoma area. Original design was plywood over frame, later some to many, I do not know the quantity, were made from glass. This class, along with lightning and el toro have done a pretty good job of making sure the glass versions wiegh etc the same as wood. Generally speaking, a glass could weigh a bit less of the same design, potentially being faster with the same sail area.

With this in mind, reality is, if the class is done correct, there should not be any different tween the boats when racing one design. That is the goal of a boat that meets one design.

If the 1d rules are thrown out, then it is possible for glass to be faster, on the other hand, some wood boats built of the West or gougen brothers epoxy impregnated cedar, or a stich and glue plywood, are all pretty light boats, and may of the same design, be lighter than a glass boat! How the boats are built will really be the ultimate deciding factor.


knuterikt 10-15-2009 10:05 AM

I do some sailing in a Norwegian one design class where wood and fibreglass boats compete on the same terms. The results indicates that material used have little impact on the results.
The majority of the boats is fibreglass but still some wooden boats get first now and then.

mstern 10-15-2009 10:26 AM

Assuming identical hull shapes, the fiberglass boat will be lighter, and therefore probably faster. Fiberglass designs do not require the extensive internal framing of traditional plank on frame wood boats, and even a newer cold-molded wood boat will not be as light as the identically shaped fiberglass hull. This is not to say that fiberglass is "superior", just that it is lighter.

The scenario you posit (identical boats made of different materials) is probably not very helpful in helping you make a decision as to whether this is the boat for you. If its a one-design, then the class rules will ensure that the boats are as identical as possible. If its not a one-design, then the material used to construct the hull will have no more or different bearing on "sailing ability" than any other factor.

If you are really considering buying a wood boat, then I salute you; you are keeping alive a grand tradition of beautiful boats and traditional craftsmanship. Whenever I see one, I am thankful there are those out there with more time, money and/or ability than I to maintain these beauties.

deniseO30 10-15-2009 11:16 AM

As size increases structure increases. I respectively disagree that wood will always be heavier. The bracing and engineered curves needed to keep a glass boat of size within it's design specs requires stringers, keel supports, floors, etc. all need nearly the same types of structure. Ever notice what is in those fiberglass stringers that make that glass boat so strong? wood! what's in the decks? wood! (or foam) Some are tubes of paper to give the glass form while curing.
Glass without something to make it a composite is weak and flexible.
Exceptions are coldmolded, strip built, wood boats that most often are smaller designs, of which are designed like glass boats and use the curves to give it it's strength, I think I read somewhere that over about 50ft glass is not the best choice of materials. Didn't a ocean racing yacht break in half recently? I think it was carbon fiber.

On the small side of things. my 15ft one design wooden canoe (traditional wood ribs and planking with canvas skin) is lighter or close to equal in weight then a glass canoe of the same size. unless that canoe is "high tech" and designed to be ultra light.

All of the arguements aside, Those that love wooden boats are not easily swayed.

AndrewMac 10-15-2009 11:43 AM

This is a 1929 Alden designed 28' knockabout sloop. The current owner replaced the original plank 15 years ago with a coldmolded hull. SA/D of about 25, with almost all the sail in the main. Fractional rig with self tending jib. It doesn't really fulfill the weekender part of the criterea so well, but I have an interest in a 40' cruiser, so i'm comfortable with the trade off. Being in Maine, I have spent a lot of time admiring the old wooden boats and am having a tough time resisting this one...appreciate all of the input.

blt2ski 10-15-2009 11:46 AM

Now you need to look at it from a maintenance standpoint. From having built two plywood boats etc, wood is harder.....altho I am not sure I want to say harder, other than maybe more time consuming to a point. There a places a wood is easier glass, and the other way around.

Bright work is way more time. but when done right, you're happy, and the comments pour in...........


Faster 10-15-2009 11:50 AM

When the Tbird fleet went to FG, they took great pains to ensure that there were no weight differences between the wood and glass boats. Old boats continued to do well in competition for a long time. They also went through a few different deck designs, with no noticeable advantage to either.

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