Performance keel or standard Keel? - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > On Board > Boat Review and Purchase Forum
 Not a Member? 


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 10-21-2009
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 51
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 5
wakesurfboy is on a distinguished road
Exclamation Performance keel or standard Keel?

I order a 2010 Jeanneau 39 DS with the new performance package (previously available only with the 39I) and I have two keel options:

1. Standard keel
- Cast iron fin keel with elongated bulb and exterior epoxy barrier coat
- 6’7”
- Weight 5026 Lbs

2. Performance keel
- Cast iron fin keel with elongated bulb and exterior epoxy barrier coat
- profiled leading and trailing edges
- 7’3”
- Weight - 4631 Lbs

The Shoal draft keel (4' 11", 5628 lbs) is much shorter permitting more possibilities in the south Florida or Bahamas but I have to remove the performance option to get it. The performance option includes:

- Genoa tracks adjustable Harken lead cars with control line lead aft to cockpit;
- Performance mast SELDEN aluminum with double spreaders, spinnaker track mounted forward
- Backstay adjustable via a SELDEN adjuster
- Genoa furler Facnor® racing series with removable drum, double sail slot and aerodynamic profile, mounted to stemhead fitting,furling line lead aft to roof winch
- Running rigging Dyneema® mainsail halyard, genoa halyard, mainsheet, genoa sheets
- Performance mainsail Prestige series tri-radail with sandwich construction of double taffeta layers for form stability, 2 automatic reefs
- Performance furling genoa 125% tri-radail with sandwich construction of double taffeta layers for form stability and Sunbrella® UV luff protection, Rutgerson® stainless steel eyes
- Feathering propeller, 3-blade, Flex-o-Fold

My first move was taking the standard keel by default but I realize the performance keel is only 8" more and 400 lbs less! I know this choice is all related to water dept but my research results tell me I will not go anywhere further with the 6'7" compare to 7'3" so why not choose performance?

Need help to choose before they built the boat!

Last edited by wakesurfboy; 10-21-2009 at 08:41 PM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #2  
Old 10-21-2009
paulk's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: CT/ Long Island Sound
Posts: 2,533
Thanks: 4
Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts
Rep Power: 15
paulk is on a distinguished road
I'd agree with you and go for the performance. 8" of difference may enable you to miss a rock or two, but a 1' wave or a wake would remove that advantage quite fast, and you'd hit. You're certainly going to pick the same anchorages in any case. In the Bahamas there isn't a lot of tide. Being 400 pounds lighter, along with all the other go-fast gear, will definitely make a difference in how the boat reacts, and your the deeper, probably narrower keel will help improve upwind performance as well.
Of course, if you REALLY wanted to improve performance, you could have them get you a lead keel. THAT would enable you to reduce the wetted surface too, and not have to worry about rust so much.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #3  
Old 10-21-2009
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 51
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 5
wakesurfboy is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by paulk View Post
I'd agree with you and go for the performance. 8" of difference may enable you to miss a rock or two, but a 1' wave or a wake would remove that advantage quite fast, and you'd hit. You're certainly going to pick the same anchorages in any case. In the Bahamas there isn't a lot of tide. Being 400 pounds lighter, along with all the other go-fast gear, will definitely make a difference in how the boat reacts, and your the deeper, probably narrower keel will help improve upwind performance as well.
Of course, if you REALLY wanted to improve performance, you could have them get you a lead keel. THAT would enable you to reduce the wetted surface too, and not have to worry about rust so much.
Great, so we are two people with the same opinion... I double check for lead keel but not available from Jeanneau.

My friend who help me in this purchase as a F1 boat with Kevlar stuff but for me, the deck saloon aspect was more important then .05 knots!!! So I'm not a performance super freak but I like to have the best sailing capabilities boat with less inconvenient as possible.

Like I said, 8" is not much because I will start to freak when the depth indicator will shown 10 ft or less whatever if I have a 6'7" or 7'3" draft!!!!!

My very first choice was the shoal keel but too much sacrifices for that.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #4  
Old 10-22-2009
tommays's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,232
Thanks: 1
Thanked 24 Times in 24 Posts
Rep Power: 6
tommays will become famous soon enough
I race on a 7' draft boat a LOT and you gotta really be CAREFUL as with type of keel its easy to do catastrophic damage compared to and old style keel of similar draft
__________________
1970 Cal 29 Sea Fever

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

1981 J24 Tangent 2930
Tommays
Northport NY


If a dirty bottom slows you down what do you think it does to your boat
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #5  
Old 10-22-2009
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 51
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 5
wakesurfboy is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by tommays View Post
I race on a 7' draft boat a LOT and you gotta really be CAREFUL as with type of keel its easy to do catastrophic damage compared to and old style keel of similar draft
The dealer tell me I will also have some problem to sale the boat with that kind of keel. My boat is not exactly a race boat so longer keel will push away buyer?
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #6  
Old 10-22-2009
paulk's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: CT/ Long Island Sound
Posts: 2,533
Thanks: 4
Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts
Rep Power: 15
paulk is on a distinguished road
...Unless he thinks like you that 8" isn't worth 400 pounds of ballast. That's 400 pounds of cruising gear you could add to the Performance model you'd have, and still outsail your standard sistership, because you have a deeper keel.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #7  
Old 10-22-2009
Aupiipii's Avatar
Aupiipii Hunter 45Passage
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Victoria - BC - Canada
Posts: 26
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
Aupiipii is on a distinguished road
I will choose The Shoal draft keel option.

This boat is called a racer/cruiser. However, I see this boat more like a cruiser that can sail fast.

I also beleive that with a shoal draft keel the boat will be easier to sale in case you need later.

When I was searching for my boat, I always have discarded all boats with a draft of 5 and more.

I am absoluty not a racer. However, a couple of option from the performance package installed on your boat once build with a Shoal draft keel, you will have a good cruiser that you can race once in a while for fun.

Just my opinion.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #8  
Old 10-22-2009
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 51
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 5
wakesurfboy is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aupiipii View Post
I am absoluty not a racer. However, a couple of option from the performance package installed on your boat once build with a Shoal draft keel, you will have a good cruiser that you can race once in a while for fun.
Shoal draft keel is not available with the performance package. All option in the performance package is not available individually so it will cost me A LOT to replace the blade, the mast, main sail, genoa, etc...

I'm not a racer too but after a while with my boat, I will certainly like to go faster and the performance package is the way to go for me.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #9  
Old 10-23-2009
blt2ski's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 6,661
Thanks: 0
Thanked 19 Times in 18 Posts
Rep Power: 10
blt2ski will become famous soon enough
If you go to jeanneau owners network - Home there are over a dozen folks that regularly post about sailing there 36i's, both P and non P models. Overall, folks are not liking the shoal draft, prefering the std at a minimum, or the deeper version overall. For me, it would be a P deep draft keel model. There are a couple that are racing there rigs, along with a number that have done some pretty nifty mods to them too. Right now that sight has more 36i folks posting, with 39i behind, then different versions of the DS models.

and if you go to http://jeanneau.tripod.com/ you can find polars for the 36i vs 36iP in the specs area. If you can not find them, email or pm me and I can send you the pdf files that are on that site.

Marty
a Moderator on that site
__________________
She drives me boat,
I drives me dinghy!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #10  
Old 10-23-2009
tager's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 991
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 6
tager is on a distinguished road
I'd go for the high performance keel. Obviously you like performance, so why not go all the way?
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Fixed or swing keel, which is better? TimG2 General Discussion (sailing related) 17 1 Day Ago 09:23 AM
My First Boat...Boat Term Question... Kacper General Discussion (sailing related) 38 09-23-2008 06:52 PM
reducing keel/adding fin? abacosol Gear & Maintenance 9 07-01-2007 09:32 PM
Keel Bolt Repairs Don Casey Gear and Maintenance Articles 0 11-10-2003 07:00 PM
Keel Bolt Concerns Don Casey Gear and Maintenance Articles 0 10-12-2003 08:00 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:00 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.