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Rythum,

I would go a little further south to look for your boat like the Annapolis and Rock Hall areas which have a huge number of boats to chose from. Google search Annapolis Sailboat Brokers. Look at websites from Rouge Wave Yachts, Gratitude marina both in Rock Hall, Annapolis Sailyard, Crusader yachts, Annapolis Yacht Sails to mention a few. Tidewater will only have Hunters and Catalina's. take your time as there will be many boats before sale which you should look at before next season.

I would follow you friends advice who had the Morgan and get something a little larger in the 28-32 ft range. You will get into enclosed heads with showers, wheel steering, headroom, refrigeration and larger beam boats which are much more stable and sturdy. Creature comforts make it much more desirable to stay for the weekend too.

As far as a place to keep you boat consider this. There is a reason the Chesapeake has so many sailboats. On the Delaware you will not have the same ability to take overnight and weekend trips you would on the Chesapeake. My suggestion would be to look for a place on the Chesapeake such as Worton Creek or Rock Hall. An easy drive across the Del Memorial and It opens up huge numbers of great places to sail for an overnighter for the weekend such as Rock Hall, Baltimore, Annapolis, Chester River Still Pond, Sassafras, St Micheals and more. Each of these areas has great creeks and coves to anchor in. It is a far different flavor than the anchorages in the Delaware River. Also the sailing season goes on until at least the end of Oct. We don't winterize until after Thanksgiving usually. These marinas are also loaded with sailors also. You can swim north of Rock Hall in the Chesapeake usually with no nettles (jellyfish), I am not sure which is cleaner in comparison...the Chesapeake or the Delaware River.

Feel free to PM me if you want another eye in looking at some boats in the Baltimore Annapolis area.

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RhythmDoctor, welcome to the wonderful world of buying a sailboat

You'll hear lots of advice from lots of people. The trick is fitting it into how you think you'll be using your boat -- not how they wished they were using theirs.

Based on your followup posts it sounds like daysailing with your family close to home pretty much sums up what you want to do. The build quality of production boats like Hunter, Catalina and Beneteau is more than up to the task (and more). And when the time comes to sell the boat you'll also find these boats much easier to sell.

I'll use this analogy, a Hummer might be able to go through amazingly rugged conditions. But for most people a Honda Accord will be more comfortable and practical -- even if it doesn't convey the same bragging rights in the bar.

I'm on my second Catalina and they make a very good coastal cruiser. Their customer support, even if you're the third owner of a 15 year old boat, is excellent. You'll find a lot of Catalina owners who're on their third and fourth Catalina.

The suggestions you've gotten for boat shopping, G. Winters on the Delaware, Tidewater, Craig's List and the brokers in Annapolis are all good. I'd also suggest yachtworld.com. Winters has a Catalina 25 with wheel steering for sale now.

There's also a very good surveyor right in Riverside, Kim Horn at Riverside Marine Surveying. When she did the survey on my Catalina 22 her prices were reasonable and she did a great job.

The last thing I'll say is don't discount emotion. Some boats just feel "right".

Best of luck, and enjoy the search,
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Ulladh - Please look at the PM that I sent you.

All - Thanks for your encouraging words and good advice.

We've been to Winters a couple of times as suggested here, and the Catalina 250 that Jim mentioned there is a real possibility. In fact, I think we were on that very boat at the same time Ulladh posted his message yesterday.

We were planning to head to the Annapolis/Mayo/Deale brokerages in the near future, but wanted to stay closer to home yesterday, so we limited ourselves to Havre de Grace and Georgetown.

Jim - "Based on your followup posts it sounds like daysailing with your family close to home pretty much sums up what you want to do." You are absolutely correct, it summarizes what I want to do (but not necessarily "the boss"). The C250 is like a "daysailer on steroids." The cockpit is very roomy for a boat that size (almost as good as a daysailer), but still has enough of a cabin to change clothes, retreat from the sun, etc., especially with the pop-top cover installed. Just not enough room or facilities to spend more than one night in it. The issue here is that Lori (my wife) does not yet completely agree with the "sailing close to home" concept. She has a pretty strong bias against the Delaware River - one which some here clearly agree with, and some others don't. And the problem is that she has a funny way of being right.

I'm concerned that we may not use a boat enough to make it worth it unless we keep it very close. It's just the nature of our lives where we cannot go away for a whole day because of some little 1 hour commitment at noon on a Saturday (to cite a common example). That's enough to blow away any chance to travel down to the Chesapeake for the day, but we could easily get down to Essington to get a nice afternoon sail in. I also don't want to deal with the frustration of driving 3 hours round trip and find out there's lousy wind. It's a lot less frustrating if we've only driven a short way to find that out. She's not one for "hanging out on the boat" - I know from our experience on our prior boats that if we're not sailing she'll want to go home right away.

But I'm still open to keeping a boat on the Bay or its upper tributaries, especially if I cannot convince Lori otherwise. Havre de Grace, Port Deposit, Northeast, Georgetown, Bohemia are all just 60-75 minutes away if the traffic is good. Rock Hall, for all its benefits, is about 2 hours, which makes it a real hike. But if I were to keep it that far and take it out into the Chesapeake, I would probably go larger than 25 feet.

This whole process is part of the fun (I keep telling myself). Still open to more comments.

Thanks,

Rick

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Rick,
I can tell you from experience that having the boat closer will definetly get you more sailing time. My boat is about a 1 1/2 hour drive - I've been out on her 3 times this year. My buddy has a boat 5 mins from my house, I've been out on it 3 or 4 times this year. I should probably move my boat...
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I so agree with John. When I took possession of my Oday30 and after bringing her up from Deale MD (Sherman's Marina) we took a mooring at Sailing Associates on the sassafras at Georgetown, for the rest of the summer.. My lord it was difficult to get back there on the weekends! and it's just under a 100 miles from here! Being at my YC in Bristol, it's only less then 10 mins.

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I agree with Denise and John, 5 or 10 min travel time to the boat means more sailing.

I sent a PM with my telephone number, my boat was hauled out this weekend and the floating docks are being dismantled, but I could meet you at Essington.

If you do buy the boat at Winters I will be available to help you move down to Fox's. Talk to Frank at Fox's Grove to make sure the travel lift will be available when you need it, or keep the boat at Winters until the spring.
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not that I would EVER suggest a Catalina 27 (hee hee) but I have one that'll be for sale this spring. She's a good boat with many big boat features in a small package and she only draws 4'. IF you are interested in taking a look shes due east of Baltimore @ sparrows point. I can't help you with areas up there to sail as I am a chessy guy and need all of it with the 5'3" draft of the new boat. PM me if you want pics or info and if not, good luck in your search!


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I'll add another vote for visiting G Winters. We've bought two Beneteaus from them. They're great people who will steer you straight and treat you right. As for where to keep it I'd agree with those who suggest the Delaware River. While it's not as good as Chesapeake Bay it's better than Nockamixin and it's close. Also another reason to visit Winters as they have the marina to go with the boat.
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Ulladh - Thanks for your generous offer. I will keep it in mind, although I expect to take my time shopping for a boat this winter. Unfortunately I did not get your PM with your phone number. Could you please re-send it? I'll try to adjust my settings to make sure it's not blocked for some reason.

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Hi everyone. I've enjoyed reading your suggestions, and have been cramming as much knowledge as time allows during the past week. My wife and I are heading down the western shore of the Chesapeake to look at more boats on Saturday. If you have suggestions, please post them here:

Shopping trip to Annapolis/Mayo/Deale/Rose Haven on Saturday
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