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In Ontario, Canada (and in many US state as well) we have consumer protection legislation. It states that "there is an implied condition that the goods will be reasonably fit for such (in this case, 'sailing') purpose". It goes on to state that "an express warranty or condition does not negative a warranty or condition implied by this act unless inconsistent therewith".
Didn't this already go to court or a pre-trial hearing, in Canada, and you CHOSE not to proceed? Didn't Hunter also offer to fix your boat AFTER you CHOSE not to proceed, when they legally, at that point, did not have to do so?

You use the law as your fall back but then neglect to fill us in on how chose not to pursue Hunter, with an actual court case.

If you feel so strongly that you are in the right TAKE THEM TO COURT, PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS, and you will win. If however, you feel that you are in the wrong, and would loose, and incur lots of expense, in teh process, and you feel that by blabbing on a forum will get them to pay up, you are just plain silly...

P.S. When are you going to stop evading the question of what product you market/sell?
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Wundr writes:

"My request is pretty simple - put my boat back in shape so that me and my familiy can safely sail in it again and don't force me to incur any costs to do so."

yeah. That's achievable.

Wundr, I am going to make this really, really clear:

You don't take care of your stuff.

Your boat is full of snow, the mast is lying on (presumably) the driveway (the snowcover makes it difficult to tell, it could be on the 18th green at Augusta but it is COVERED IN SNOW, which is unrecommended by any manufacturer and sailing guide), There is no cover, and obviously little interest.


In fact, you have admitted that you did not even use the boat during the previous season, so a) how important is sailing this boat to you, and b) just how much rainwater has it got lying in the bilge?

Now that it is absolutely friggin' balmy in Ontario, show me some pics of how the boat looks TODAY- show me how the bilge is bone dry and how well-taken care of this boat is.

You still haven't told us what you "market' and how you would respond to a customer like you.
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So, you want Hunter to pay for the shipping to and from the factory, repair the boat to usable shape, after you clearly neglected the boat and abused it... Yeah, that's going to happen...

You might consider that Hunter already went above and beyond what they are REQUIRED TO DO, and you chose not to meet their requirements for them fixing your boat. You don't really deserve anything else from Hunter.

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My request is pretty simple - put my boat back in shape so that me and my familiy can safely sail in it again and don't force me to incur any costs to do so.
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This type of discussion proves one thing - there is truth to the axiom that the internet is full of people with no life and a lot to complain about.
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Maine Sail wrote:
"I also challenge you to come up with 24 different members, by screen name, as you have stated "dozens and dozens" who have had ACP hull cracks. If you are going to publicly continue to bash Hunter we want links to threads on ANY forum where there is a discussion of ACP hulls cracking. It is only fair as your behavior is getting a touch ridiculous at this point."

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OK Maine Sail, you gave me a challenge and I accepted. Starting today, I will begin to post the comments of other Hunter ACP hull owners who have complained about their hulls cracking over the years. You have asked for 24. I will give you 24. However, since there are so many and the complaints so long, I will share them in increments over the next few weeks. Here is the first one:

Hunter Owner Complaint #1 of 24:
Name:Lance Cluster
Date and Time of Post: 07-18-2007 07:29 am (SailboatOwners.com)
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"In answer to the question regarding how to get Hunter to take responsibility for the ACP cracking issues – I really wish I knew. I spent a lot of time and money repairing ACP cracking issues that Hunter said were very rare. All that can be done is make people aware of the ACP cracking issues and hope that people do their homework before they purchase a Hunter daysailor."

More to come in the days ahead.
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Maine Sail wrote:
"I also challenge you to come up with 24 different members, by screen name, as you have stated "dozens and dozens" who have had ACP hull cracks. If you are going to publicly continue to bash Hunter we want links to threads on ANY forum where there is a discussion of ACP hulls cracking. It is only fair as your behavior is getting a touch ridiculous at this point."

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OK Maine Sail, you gave me a challenge and I accepted. Starting today, I will begin to post the comments of other Hunter ACP hull owners who have complained about their hulls cracking over the years. You have asked for 24. I will give you 24. However, since there are so many and the complaints so long, I will share them in increments over the next few weeks. Here is the first one:

Hunter Owner Complaint #1 of 24:
Name:Lance Cluster
Date and Time of Post: 07-18-2007 07:29 am (SailboatOwners.com)
His Post:
"In answer to the question regarding how to get Hunter to take responsibility for the ACP cracking issues – I really wish I knew. I spent a lot of time and money repairing ACP cracking issues that Hunter said were very rare. All that can be done is make people aware of the ACP cracking issues and hope that people do their homework before they purchase a Hunter daysailor."

More to come in the days ahead.
I asked for links to posts and screen names. You may get yourself into a copy right issue copy and pasting entire posts that are the property of another forum... Also, we only need ONE post.

Your sleazy intent is to clearly keep this topic at the top of the posts list in a weak attempt to disparage Hunter. I believe if you do as you say you are going to, you will get this thread permanently closed so it will go to the bottom of the thread list in perpetuity....

Again, for about the umpteenth time, what do you sell/market? Let's stop the hypocrisy NOW....
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Oh there are no copyright issues at play here Maine Sail. I am giving full attribution to both the authors and the forum that posts the comments (once again, it is SailboatOwners.com). I wish I could paste the link to the posts I will be releasing over the next few weeks. Unfortunately, as you know, Phil banned me from that site quite some time ago so I no longer have access to the links. Fortunately I kept a hard copy of all of my research. But if you want to find the original posts, just go to their site and search the archives for some of the key terms in the quotes provided.
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If that's the game you want to play, here's someone's experience:

my son had one of these boats (in Wisconsin where it gets cold) which developed a small crack which Hunter promptly, courteously, immediately fixed, and at no expense to him.

The difference must be that they liked my son and they didn't like you.

Someone please shut off this totally useless thread!
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I'm not sure why you two feel you need to continue with the personal attacks and demands to close this thread, Maine Sail and k1vsk. After all, aren't these forums intended to share information and opinions on the topic of sailing?

Let's try to focus this debate on the crux of the issue. We seem to have two differing opinions here. In one corner, we have me. I believe Hunter Marine Corp. knowingly has been manufacturing a defective ACP hull for many years. In the other corner, we have Maine Sail, sailingdog, K1vsk (and probably others) who currently believe that I have neglected my sailboat and am trying to get Hunter to pay for the damages. And, to discredit me, you have challenged me to substantiate one of my main support points - that there are "dozens and dozens" of other Hunter ACP owners who have experienced the same problem that I have. Of course, evidence that shows I am not the only one who has experienced this 'cracking problem', helps to substantiate my claim and weakens your POV.

While I believe I have a strong legal argument to win a claim against Hunter Marine Corp., I have no intention of trying to outspend them, or their parent, Luhrs Marine Group in the courts. In my opinion, that would simply be "throwing good money after bad money", as my Dad often warned me about. That is why I told Hunter's representatives that I would take this case to "the court of public opinion".

All I ask is that readers of this forum listen to my facts and let me respond to your challenges. If, in doing so, they agree with you guys and/or gals, I will just be happy knowing that I have a chance to express my views. Since you feel so passionately and strongly about your views and your case, you shouldn't feel threatened about what I have to say. In fact, you should encourage more dialogue NOT less!
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If you want to share information, then answer the question that Maine Sail and I both asked- what do you sell?, and how would you deal with a customer like you?

Your evasiveness certainly calls your own credibility into question.
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