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I know from past ebay experience that I have a moral obligation to complete the transaction once I win the auction.
If you read the eBay fine print, it's actually a legal obligation when placing a bid. A seller is not likely to go after you if you don't pay, but you can't guarantee that.

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But if the boat is misrepresented I would have no qualms about backing out.
Defining "misrepresented" can be a challenge, though. The seller says it's in "good shape", but you call it "fair shape". Is that misrepresentation?

Most likely the listing will only describe the equipment on the boat. As long as it's all there, there wasn't misrepresentation. If there turn out to be defects, how can you guarantee the seller knew about them?

And, being an auction, everything is offered on an as-is basis unless specific guarantees are given. Which they probably won't be.

If you're serious about the boat, talk to the owner. If that checks out, send a surveyor to look and give you a report. Surveys turn up with serious problems all the time on boats that owners didn't know about. With that info you can make an intelligent bid.

It's very unlikely a seller would let you survey after the auction is complete and then renege based on survey results. If that's what you want to do, better get the seller to agree before bidding.

I've bought two boats on eBay, and have been happy with the transactions. On both I did a thorough inspection myself before bidding -- surprisingly on one boat I was the only one of about 10 bidders to actually look at it.

Personally, I'd suggest that lots of boats sell through eBay. If you can't visit this one, there'll be others closer to you before long. Also, get some prices for shipping. It can be surprisingly expensive. A bargain far away may not be such a bargain by the time you get it home.

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Thanks for all the advice. I have bid on many items on ebay, and always followed up on the purchase. If I chose to bid on a boat, I would do that also unless there was gross misrepresentation (such as pictures of a different boat).

The boat I am referring to is this one:

2002 Catalina 270:eBay Motors (item 200403237250 end time Nov-14-09 04:04:12 PST)

The biggest red flag I can see is the seller's location is listed as Arlington, TX, while the picture shows a boat registered in NC. So my first question to the guy was where the boat is actually located and how/when I could arrange to have someone see it. It's been about 36 hours and no response. There could be a very simple explanation, but it's also possible the guy took some online photos of a "similar" boat and posted them to represent his boat. No chance I'll even consider bidding on this under these conditions. I don't see how anyone would - but it's got 33 bids.
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I'd point out that most of the boats on eBay are sold AS IS and generally do not allow for a survey and sea trial.

As for other on-line sources, like craigslist, be careful as many are scams.

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I'd point out that most of the boats on eBay are sold AS IS and generally do not allow for a survey and sea trial....
After the other responses, I do realize that. But getting access for a visual inspection is not unreasonable, and this guy has not even responded to simple request to see the boat. Apparently others are willing to take more risk than I am. The boat is really too far away for me anyway.
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The guy didn't mislead me, but he didn't disclose everything.
For me, not revealing the warts you know is indeed lying.
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I would pass on it...there are a ton of boats out there with owners or sellers that want to answer your questions.
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hi, I viewed mine first and it had to be a steal to sway the deal! Sailing it back to canada from michigan was my seatrial and after buyers remorse(I already had a boat) my C@C 24 has been as good a boat as an 83 could be.
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If you want to gamble, go to Vegas.

Otherwise, make sure you can inspect the boat, survey the boat, and walk away without paying or owing anything if the boat has any problems or material differences from what it is listed as.

Some folks have had great luck with major purchases on eBay, while others have learned painful lessons.

Pretty much like Vegas, without the buffets and showgirls.
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I recommend getting a survey as a condition of sale. That should include a haul-out to check the underhull and blisters. The challenge is to get a credible surveyor. Boat insurance companies of a bank giving boat loans may give a referal. Perhaps the Better Business Bureau would be good to check with when you get name.
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