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The perfect 35-40 footer

Thanks for all those suggestions. Noted and agreed with. The Southern Cross 35 looks a bit small (no quarter berth?) though nice. The 39 is a real possibility. There's an unprotected prop, but you probably can't have anything. The price looks right, as do the specs.

In the end there is bound to be some compromise and you have to compensate for that with your own flexibility and seamanship.

Re proper second cabin I agree this would be highly desireable, but it takes you to 40 feet most likely and the flip side of that of course is automatic higher costs than closer to 35 feet. I think a decent quarter berth would be a useful retreat even if not permanent sleeping cabin for two adults. Our last boat was a Contessa 26 -- yes, with two children and for weeks at a time -- so almost ANYTHING is going to feel spacious!

We are in NY, so mostly going to look in the NE and Maryland.

Saw those two Freyas, but want to avoid steel and a huge project. There are nice Freyas but they come up rarely...

Seems to me the PSC, Shannon and Valiant deserve their reputations but they are going to be old and the prices are possibly inflated, ie paying for the name. At that age it might be that some of these others, selling at 20K less, are no worse and, with the upgrades you're bound to end up doing anyway, might be just as good if not better.

There's a lot of boat in a 60K Rafiki, 70K Southern Cross or Wauquiez Pretorien...

Any more thoughts -- or EXPERIENCE -- about seaworthiness of Bayfields, Rafikis, Southern Cross or other less well known ones much appreciated.

Thanks again.
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There is a Shannon 38 on Yachtworld in Texas. They are asking $99K for the boat. We looked at it but decided that it needed more work than we wanted to do. It has been on the market for quite a while so you may be able to make a low offer.
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Here are a few interesting choices.
1981 Halsey Herreshoff /Marshall Marine Custom Cutter Sail Boat For Sale -
1979 CAL 39 (Short Rig/Deep Keel) Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
1979 CAL Cal 39 MK II Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
1981 CAL MK III Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
1985 Sabre MK 1 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
1982 Sabre Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
All allowing for upgrades within your budget - which any boat tthis size and price will need.
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Decent price on the 1985 Sabre...if it surveys well...great vessel..

Sabre is celebrating their 40th year.
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Hans Christian 38!
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I would think any Hans Christian 38 in his price range would have teak deck issues though. A very expensive and time consuming fix.
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sabre 38s are great several on the market at good prices...

shannon 38 available at Norton's ...in Deltaville, VA

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I keep a running list of my favorite bluewater boats with much of the same criteria you have, including price in the $50-$100k range. Here's what I've got so far:

Westsail 32: Good reputation offshore, plentiful, good value, roomier than most 32's, perhaps a bit slow and "tankish"

Cabo Rico Tiburon 36: Salty, Gozzard-genes, poor selection

PSC Mariah 31: Similar to W32 with perhaps a bit less room but better sailing ability

PSC 34/37: Good sailing performance, good looks, a bit cramped

Baba/Ta Shing/Panda 35: Beautiful Perry design with decent sailing ability, proven offshore

Halberg-Rassy Rasmus: Funky looks, a bit dated, roomy double cabin CC

Cheoy Lee Luders 36: Salty but not a great quality rep

Allied Princess 36: good value, more plasticy than others

True North 34: rare, similar to Baba's

Fantasia 35: Perry knock-off similar to Baba's, questionable build quality

Union 35: See Fantasia 35

Cape Dory 36: Beautiful Alberg hull, a bit small inside, good sailing

Hans Christian 33t/34: Beautiful boats, great pullman interior layout (2 cabins) with the 33t

Fuji 32/35/40: Gozzard-ish looking, quality rep?

Shannon 38: pricey but well-made

Pan Oceanic 36: Yet another Perry double-ender

Tayana 37: Classic Perry double-ender

Hardin Sea Wolf 41/CT 41/Island Trader 41/Yankee Clipper 41/Sea Tiger 41/Transworld 41: Big, piratey looking tanks, questionable build quality?

Niagra 35: Hinterhoeller design, unique layout

Dreadnought 32: Proven but antiquated

Vineyard Vixen 34: Rare?

Alajela/Ingrid 38: Beautiful classic, many w/ custom interiors

Island Trader 37: Roomy, offshore capable?

Islander Freeport 41: Lots of room and value, Perry design CC/deck saloon-ish

Mariner 32/40: Good value, proven offshore


If I had to pick just one of the above, with price not being an object, I'd go with the HC 33t. I love the looks, private cabins, shower, Pullman berth, full keel and canoe stern.
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There are many factors that make a good boat and numbers don't always give you the best idea. The sail calc on the web doesn't work well when comparing different types of boats. Comfort factor can also be suspect. Displacement/length ratio as well is not effective in comparing different types of boats.
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