Originally Posted by blt2ski
...Then again, C&C has a 131 design, no takers for 3 yrs. Taten came out with a 4000, which is the C&C121 hull, with a differen keel/deck interior and rigging setup........
Hey Marty need your help here. I have been looking at the new Tartan 4000 and I have many doubts.
Let's see if I can understand it rightly: The new Tartan 4000 is going to replace the Tartan 4100, a 1996 Tim Jacket designed boat, and is going to use a 1999 designed hull, also by Tim Jacket?
They advertise in Tartan top of the shelve materials and building techniques:
"The Tartan 4000 design embodies all of the recent Tartan leading technologies and advanced performance cruising conveniences. CCR (Cruise Control Rig), carbon fiber mast, boom and rudder, infused BPA epoxy composite hull and deck, all lead low center of gravity bulb keels give cruising performance advantages that other builders cannot match".
and then offer a 40ft boat that in its more oriented performance version (fin keel) weights 8892 kg when the 1999 C&C 121, that has a good cruising interior, weights 6622Kg? More 2 200Kg over a 12 years old boat, and pretends to be a cruising performance boat? A Jeanneau 409 weights 7450kg!!!!
Looking at the old Tartan 4100 I can see a Classical designed boat that don't pretend to be a performance boat but just a fast modern Classic, a timeless design and a good looking boat to my eyes:
Looking to the new Tartan 4000 I see a boat that looks like a 90's North European performance cruiser (but more beamier):
And amazingly the 12 years older C&C 121 (that has the same hull) looks a lot more modern and nicer to me:
So Marty, give me a help here to understand better the US sailboat market. What is the sailing market that they pretend to target with an expensive boat that they advertise as a performance cruiser, but that is in fact heavy and beamy and looks like a 15 year luxury old boat? Do you think that such market exists?
I would rather have the old Tartan 4100, at least I would have a very nice good looking boat