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G1000, this is the fastest cruising boat I know of:

YouTube - ‪Lalou Roucayrol sur le Multi 50 2ème de La Route du Rhum 16/11/2010‬‏

Hey Nemier, pay attention

Yes that is a race trimaran (second on the last Route du Rhum) but Lalou, the skipper had decided to make a small series of cruising boats with the same molds. He says:

After sailing for twenty years on racing Multihull, sometimes with a relative comfort but with great sailing performance I have notice that the pleasure of that performance was sometimes spoiled by the stress of sailing to the limit these capricious and nervous boats and during my lonely nights at the ruder I started to think about a different vision of multihull sailing. A vision that included the pleasure of sailing with friends and sharing with them the pleasures of fast sailing, without stress in a seaworthy, fast, comfortable and simple boat.

My choice was quickly focused on a Trimaran because of its versatility in all winds, its better behavior in rough weather and its superior performance / security compared with a cruising catamaran".


Lalou-Multi 50 : une série de trimarans tirant la quintessence de l'expérience de la course océanique et la mettant à la portée d'amateurs éclairés.

The French are exited about it .

Kind of a Pogo, but instead of a Class40 with a cruising interior, a 50class race trimaran with a cruising interior and that means way faster, I mean, not faster than a Class 40, but as faster or faster than an Open 60

YouTube - ‪Depuis les bateaux Route du Rhum 11.11.2010‬‏





Lalou-Multi 50 : une série de trimarans tirant la quintessence de l'expérience de la course océanique et la mettant à la portée d'amateurs éclairés.

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Did a search and did'nt see the Ker 39 production cruiser racer mentioned Ker Associates Ltd
Ker Associates Ltd

Length overall, hull ........................... 11.85m
Beam moulded ................................. 3.52m
Draft ................................................ 2.55m
Displacement (IRC Empty Weight) ..... 5.95 tonnes
Price starts at 258000 Euro

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The Reichel/Pugh designed Mcr35 is another production boat that is at the top IMHO McConaghy Boats

LOA 10.88 M
Beam 3.70 M
Draft 2.50 M
Disp. 4,025 Kg
Prices start at 279000 USD


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Both boats have good ballast to weight ratio.
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Did a search and did'nt see the Ker 39 production cruiser racer mentioned ...
You mean you don't find the mentioned Ker 46 and find the Ker 39 cruiser-racer?

You have not find the Ker 46 because it is a pure racer and made in very small numbers, not a production boat. That one (Tonerre...) was built in 2009 boat and is a very fast ocean racer:







The Tonerre was built by salthouse boat builders:

Salthouse Boatbuilders, New Zealand, building high performance race boats, cruising yachts and launches, commercial vessels, refit work and slip services

Thanks for posting about the ker 39 and the Mc35. They are very interesting boats and I will post more about them. They are on the limit of what we can call production boats. Both are expensive boats and cruiser racers with what looks like a nice interior.

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Rm 1260

Paulo,

I just got some info for the new RM 1260 lol. Not sure you have posted this.

Heres some improvements from the 1200.

Objective: to make RM1260, the most attractive 40’ of the European market:

- Very elegant lines,
- High Performance: hull, sail plan, weight, stiffness.
- Optimized ergonomics: position of the winches, twin steering wheel, focused sail plan.
- Immense internal volume, extended roof.
- Brightness and exceptional visibility.

The main changes compared to RM1200:

- More modern and more powerful hull.
- Elongated roof, mast on the roof, more balanced sail plan.
-Two steering wheel (option tiller).
- More volume in the saloon and improved height.
- Forward cabin enlarged, improved height, wider bed.
- Optimized brightness: lateral and frontal view, windscreen without interruption.
- Technical room enlarged, possibility of additional cabin.
- Modern design, sharp and very pure lines.
- Outside visibility, from the chart-table.

Figures:
- Length of hull: 11.99 m
- Length overall (with bow pulpit): 12,60 m
- Length waterline: 11,68 m
- Width: 4.35 m
- Sail area: 98m2
- Draft: twin-keel: 1.85 m; mono-keel: 2.20 m

Launch Price:

Standard model, without options: 191,827 ex vat.
This price will be applied to initial orders; it will likely be increased without notice.

Availability:

The first RM1260 will be delivered in March 2012; we plan to deliver four boats before
summer 2012.

Note the tiller option.
So whats that Paulo? approx $425k all tricked out
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Regarding the RM I am still missing the displacement and the polar.
Polar should be available in 9 months only they told me.
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Regarding the RM I am still missing the displacement and the polar.
Polar should be available in 9 months only they told me.
Yes, they tell everything except the weight and ballast. They give 98m2 of sail and that is not bad for a 41ft boat but the weight is very important as it is the sensations you got at the wheel.

Take a look at their last one, the 1060: the weight seemed fantastic and the boat should be a knock out. Well it sails very well but it seems that the sensations at the tiller are not that good and the performance seems not to be in accordance with the announced weight.

I think that RM has clearly understood that performances are very important for the ones that are interested in their boats. They have made recently for a Swedish client a 1350 performance: Carbon mast, increased sail area (112 to 125m2), premium sails. The boat can make 10.5K with 12k wind.



I think they are going to introduce a performance option in their line. They are working in a 1060 performance with more sail area, top cruising sails and a carbon rig (mono Keel and twin rudders). I think that this is going in the direction at least some of their clients want, the problem is what would be the cost? Can they make it affordable?

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Did a search and did'nt see the Ker 39 production cruiser racer mentioned Ker Associates Ltd
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Length overall, hull ........................... 11.85m
Beam moulded ................................. 3.52m
Draft ................................................ 2.55m
Displacement (IRC Empty Weight) ..... 5.95 tonnes
Price starts at 258000 Euro

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I had an idea that we had already talked about the Ker 39, but I didn't remember making a post about it....it was because it was MyOcean that posted about it on post 676 (I have replied on post 678):

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Isn't this one a cool machine? Very much a racer...


"Ker 39"
That boat is such a good cruiser racer that it deserves some more information. First, I should say it is not a new design...but is still winning as it was a new one

Jason Ker's team introduce their new Thai-built 39 footer | The Daily Sail

Specialists set up in Thailand to offer custom and semi custom build | The Daily Sail

Than I should say that this one is a real winner, top of the crop and with a nice interior too....but also that will cost probably more than the price Aac has posted (probably an old price). The basic version without sails or electronics cost in 2007 was 250 000€. Pretty sure it is more expensive know.

Regarding cruising the boat has a 2.55m keel and notwithstanding its nice interior that limits the options. Regarding racing, that's another story and I am not talking only about compensated time, that boat with a narrow hull, 95m2 of sail to 6T and a big righting moment (2.55m draft and a lot of ballast) has a IRC TCC of 1,126, a number that is typical of a bigger boat, for instance a J133 has 1,109, a J122 1,092 an Elan 410 1,074 a First 40 1,085 an Archimbault A40RC 1,085, a Swam 51 1,086 and even a racer with a much poor interior like the x 41 has "only" 1,117.

Of course the boat could be rated too high and have difficulty in beating the handicap....but that is not the case. Look at this list of winnings :

Ker Design









So if you have the money want to win races and leave bigger boats behind and occasionally want to cruise with the family, that's your boat. If you want to cruise, have fun and leave everybody behind and a 2.6m draft is not a problem to you, well this boat may just fit your bill, providing you can afford it. It is a stunningly beautiful boat

Ker Associates Ltd

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http://www.ker39.com/

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Paulo,
Maybe the Swiss client does not care ? Great looking boat.

Top marks for the Hoek thread but if I had the dosh this is where I'd go ...







though I suspect I'm repeating myself .....
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Hey Andrews,

Yes I love the Bestevaer but that particular boat is a no no. You should not make an aluminum boat with a traditional design and let it unpainted. That's a contradiction, a wrong play. That 45fter boat looks like a war machine, not a beautiful traditional boat

Look at the original design: The aluminum is painted



Some time ago you have posted a bigger one, a 54 if I am not wrong, painted and so much more beautiful:



Nothing wrong with the design of the 45, something wrong with the owner of that boat that probably have insisted in not having is boat paint. I know that not only aluminum boats don't need to be painted as they can have even some advantages in not being paint (unless the paint job is a very expensive and very good one) but one thing is functionality other are aesthetics and in what regards that, for letting it naked you have to have a modern functional design, not a classical design or a traditional one.

That plain view aluminum looks well on a Cigale or on a German 39 but not on a traditional boat like the Bestevaer. By the way do you know the German 39?

It is a great design, you know it is not easy to make a 45ft deck saloon look good, but a 39? that's another story and the German 39 is not only a great boat, fast and seaworthy, but it also looks right, with an integrated space for the tender and again, that's amazing on a 39ft boat. It is designed by a great South African Architect, Berckemeyer. Take a look at his designs, you are going to be surprised:

Berckemeyer Yacht Design

Regarding the German 39, that is made in Germany in a small scale production facility, the boat only weights 7.5T, has 2X900L of water ballast, 2.4T of ballast on a bulbed lifting keel. That bulb when in sailing position is really down at 2.5m contributing (with the water ballasts) to a huge initial stability and providing a good AVS and a good reserve stability. When looking for a place to anchor the boat has only 1.1m draft (keel up) and that permits it to get really close to land and permits to get a better shelter.





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The German 39 has 97,5m2 of sail and that with a displacement of 7.5T makes it a fast boat and a very fast one with lots of wind. That huge stability permits it to maintain all its sail up when others have already reefed.





Take a look at the polar speed:

http://www.german-yachtbau.de/files/...gramm_GE39.pdf

This is an easy 8/9K boat that with over 20K will go easily on two figure numbers. It was the kind of stern (with two rudders) that will provide a safe and easy downwind ride, even with lot's of wind.































Andrew, this is one of my favorite, it has the right size the flexibility of an acrobat and I would probably have one if I could. The boat is not even expensive considering the Aluminum, the type of keel, the rig, the water ballasts and the good quality interior, but all that quality stuff is expensive, so it is clearly out of my budget....but what a boat

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G1000, this is the fastest cruising boat I know of:
YouTube - ‪Lalou Roucayrol sur le Multi 50 2ème de La Route du Rhum 16/11/2010‬‏

Hey Nemier, pay attention

Yes that is a race trimaran (second on the last Route du Rhum) but Lalou, the skipper had decided to make a small series of cruising boats with the same molds.
Regards
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I'm always paying attention to anything you post Paulo!
Heck, I've even got the kids talking about you when we're all around the table at meal times!

I'm hanging around MH4U forum lately, trying to learn as much as I can over there. But regularly pop in over here to catch up!

My internet connection also not so good. I'm still offshore India right now, this was this morning's forecast:


MARINE FORECAST - BOMBAY HIGH NORTH
ISSUED 06:00 HRS SATURDAY 11 JUN 2011
Risk of showers/thundery showers giving temporarily strong gusts and rough seas. Heavy rain/showers at times. Strong gale to storm force winds with very high sea/swell.
WARNING :
Low pressure area over east-central Arabian sea is centered approximately at 19.3N, 070.4E and is likely to intensify. Pressure gradient is strong over your area. Strong gale to storm force winds will prevail over your location. Please see the Deep Low Pressure Warning forwarded separately.
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WIND : S-SW 42-52, increasing S-SW 48-58 later Saturday, decreasing S-SW 35-45 by Sunday
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