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I'm not sailing right now - I wish! I'm just at work.
In Feb, I was in the North Sea, that was even worse!
I run Diving Support Vessels, this one is relatively small at 78m x 20.
In this crap, the bigger the better!
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To the attention of new members viewing this thread:

To avoid repetitions of posts about the same boat I have on the first page of this thread a list with the boats posted. That do not mean that you should not post about a boat that has been posted, you may add more information and that is always interesting, just that you should take into consideration what already has been posted, to avoid repetitions.

It is a fact that the search engine does not work properly on this thread and that's a shame. I have tried to maintain updated the list of boats posted but it is not easy, it's boring and takes a lot of time. The list was updated today till page 80.

I have created a new category for Traditional and Classic boats. This is the list:

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out).

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.


Small cruisers (less than 35ft)


Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;




Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft




Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;




Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)



Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;




Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)


Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;





Sailing boats over 49ft




Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;





Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats


Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;


Racers



Figaro 2:PG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;



Lifting keel/centerboarder


Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;






Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;


Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;



Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;





(actualized till PG100)

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Well, I am going to post about an unusual boat a boat that I like. Not very rational but who says that sailing is very rational? That's a poet's boat, the kind of boat I would like to own when I get old . No, it is not particularly slow and I bet that it is even faster close to the wind, but its design it is not the best way to get space and performance from a sailboat at an affordable price...and of course I have doubts if you can raise a ballasted 1T keel pulling from the mast. Can the mast take it? Can the winches take it? Maybe I am wrong and in that case the boat is even more interesting

That's a Classic looking boat and I would say a radical: LOA 12m, Beam 3.16, Weight 4000kg, draft 3m, ballast 1000kg. The keel can be lifted and the boat has then 0.65m draft.

Take a look:






















I know, some of you are going to say that this is a crazy boat, that it will not sail properly, but you are wrong. This is a boat with a very appropriated name, "L'enfant perdu" and it is designed by Patrick Balta, a French Architect that has also designed a big sister, "L'etoile de l'horizon" (15m) and this one has raced the route du rhum (famous transat) and several other transats.

Some pictures of the big sister:






This baby can make more than 11k close to the wind and 15K at 90º of the wind. Who says that classical looking yachts has to be slow

If you don't believe it take a look at these movies...fast I am telling you

YouTube - ‪route du rhum 1‬‏

YouTube - ‪Etoile Horizon‬‏

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Fantastic boats Paulo! I love them!
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A very special RM 1350 (almost no interior and water ballasts) has got good results on the first leg of the Azab race (England-Açores and back, solo or duo). The boat finished second overall.



Yes, not bad, the race was dominated by the fight between the first Class 40 and the RM 1350. In the end the RM was beaten by some hours but has beaten another class 40 and a fast J133. Only the first Class40 and the RM were solo sailed. The other Class 40 and the J 133 were duo sailed.

I am very curious to see the performance of the new RM 1350 performance

On the smaller boats a J105 won closely followed by an Elan 380.

AZAB 2011 - 10th Azores and Back Yacht Race

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The mast should be able to take the 1T load easily. That's small compared to the shroud and stay loads. As for the winches... 1T is probably light or at least on par with wrestling that huge headsail.
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The mast should be able to take the 1T load easily. That's small compared to the shroud and stay loads. As for the winches... 1T is probably light or at least on par with wrestling that huge headsail.
Probably the mast can take it but I doubt the winches can. That sailboat has a 48.2m2 main, the sail is bigger than the one I used on my 36ft but not that much. On my boat I had some hard work to pull the 75kg of my soon to the top of the mast. I don't think I could pull 200kg up ans certainly not 1000kg. we are talking about 13 times more than 75kg! To make things even worse there will be a lot more friction that the one that is experienced when we pull someone up.

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I might have had J-class boats on my mind when I wrote that.

There's hoist room for a 2:1 purchase directly above, and another 2:1 on the downhaul. No, it won't be easy. Maybe with a 3-speed winch and a lot of grinding?

(Edit: Well, wait a minute... Could probably do it all directly above. Not enough room to cascade on the downhaul. Just need lots of rope.)

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New boat, another one from Denmark a small country with many boat builders and has usual from there, a beautiful boat, the Olsen 37.

Olsen is an old boat builder that is marketing for the first time? a small production boat. It is a week-end boat with main focus in sail pleasure and beauty.

Regarding beauty the boat is a looker. They tried to keep the profile has low as it was possible to the point of having this: " To allow headroom below coach roof in harbour, the coach roof can be lifted approx. 20 cm electrically by pushing a bottom".

The boat is made to be easily sailed solo:

"The deep cockpit is equipped with a steering wheel from where all halyards and sheets can be managed. To ensure optimal steering position cockpit seats are made in such a way, that you can decide in which position to steer the boat. They can be positioned for or aft depending on the position of the helmsman. They can also be stoved away to give plenty of space in standing position. The low coach roof makes it possible to have a brilliant view over the boat while sailing."

And you can have a SUN BED in the cockpit :
"The 2 m long cockpit lockers can be folded towards centerline to form a sun bed of 2 x 1,6 m".

Now with all those "gadgets" we would tend to think that sailing is not the main purpose, but we would be wrong. The boat is all built in epoxy using infusion, is light (4950kg) has a big ballast (2000kg) on a bulb, and therefore it will have a lot of sail power (B/D 40%) and a narrow beam (3,20m) will contribute to make it a very fast boat with a very well made and good quality interior.









About the interior, it is an open one that gives a big sensation of space . They say about it:

Below deck we have made everything looking as bright and open as possible. The centre section of the coach roof is made out of smoked acrylic, and 3 elements can be open to ensure ventilation and emergency exit. The interior is made out of white pigmented oak, Corean™, frozen acrylic, white sprayed panels and light teak floor thought as a contrast to the dark blue cushions.

The interior plan is more or less traditional, but elements are different. The top part of the toilet/bathroom is made out of frozen acrylic, which allows diffuse light penetration, but enough cover to obtain privacy.






The boat has plenty of zenithal light but I confess that the lack of view to the scenery would be a very strong negative point to me even in an such a nice boat.

Take a look at the movies, yes it is a fast boat :

YouTube - ‪Minbaad.dk tester Olsen370‬‏

YouTube - ‪Minbaad.dk tester Olsen370‬‏

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About the interior, it is an open one that gives the sensation of space that is increased by the absence of mast or any link.
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Take a look at the movies, yes it is a fast boat :
What an incredibly clean job of hiding the lines. It looks fantastic. And fast! The stern wave is a good 1/4 boat length behind in some of those shots.

I'm curious about your comment about the "absence of mast" in the interior. There's definitely a compression post, or even keel-stepped mast, in the interview video. I don't speak Danish, but the gist seemed to come across well in the images.

The raise-able roof does seem a bit gimmicky. Having spent time in the "pilot house" of a Lagoon 420 dockominium, I would trade some of the windage for some side lights. And I guess the sun-bed option conflicts with installing a traveler on the cockpit floor. Still, I like what they're showing.
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