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What an incredibly clean job of hiding the lines. It looks fantastic. And fast! The stern wave is a good 1/4 boat length behind in some of those shots.

I'm curious about your comment about the "absence of mast" in the interior. There's definitely a compression post, or even keel-stepped mast, in the interview video. I don't speak Danish, but the gist seemed to come across well in the images.

The raise-able roof does seem a bit gimmicky. Having spent time in the "pilot house" of a Lagoon 420 dockominium, I would trade some of the windage for some side lights. And I guess the sun-bed option conflicts with installing a traveler on the cockpit floor. Still, I like what they're showing.
Yes, you are right about the compression post. I got confused with this: Tthe traditional mast bulkhead is replaced by a frame and an extra stiff deck construction. Of course they are talking about the bulkhead not the compression post...that and my desire to see a sailboat with an open space and without a compression post (I have edited the post).

By the way, welcome to the thread

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Talking about Danish boats (and not only) and beautiful boats (and great sailing) just look at these images. Nice sailing, nice boats

YouTube - ‪BÃ¥dmagasinet - Big Boat Challenge 2010‬‏
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Paulo,
I think we have a problem here.

You may have to change the title of this thread to:

Sailboat PORN!

absolutely stunning boats! Balta's Lefant Perdu really gets me going too, and has moved to my personal No. 1 mono.
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L'Enfant Perdu is a stunner no doubt about that but I'd not take to her as a long term cruiser. Would make for a fine racer and be pretty cool for weekend cruising but nah, not for long term.

btw .. am I the only one who has concerns about those vertical blade keels ? I'd hate to think what would be left if you hit a whale or even a sunfish with one of those things.
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Well, I am going to post about an unusual boat a boat that I like. Not very rational but who says that sailing is very rational? That's a poet's boat, the kind of boat I would like to own when I get old . No, it is not particularly slow and I bet that it is even faster close to the wind, but its design it is not the best way to get space and performance from a sailboat at an affordable price...and of course I have doubts if you can raise a ballasted 1T keel pulling from the mast. Can the mast take it? Can the winches take it? Maybe I am wrong and in that case the boat is even more interesting

That's a Classic looking boat and I would say a radical: LOA 12m, Beam 3.16, Weight 4000kg, draft 3m, ballast 1000kg. The keel can be lifted and the boat has then 0.65m draft.

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I know, some of you are going to say that this is a crazy boat, that it will not sail properly, but you are wrong. This is a boat with a very appropriated name, "L'enfant perdu" and it is designed by Patrick Balta, a French Architect that has also designed a big sister, "L'etoile de l'horizon" (15m) and this one has raced the route du rhum (famous transat) and several other transats.

Some pictures of the big sister:






This baby can make more than 11k close to the wind and 15K at 90º of the wind. Who says that classical looking yachts has to be slow

If you don't believe it take a look at these movies...fast I am telling you

YouTube - ‪route du rhum 1‬‏

YouTube - ‪Etoile Horizon‬‏
the "big sister" is for sale - 120K €
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L'Enfant Perdu is a stunner no doubt about that but I'd not take to her as a long term cruiser. Would make for a fine racer and be pretty cool for weekend cruising but nah, not for long term.

btw .. am I the only one who has concerns about those vertical blade keels ? I'd hate to think what would be left if you hit a whale or even a sunfish with one of those things.
I don't think that should be a problem bigger than in most fast boats. At least in that one you would have two rudders that are the more fragile part of any boat. You could lose one and you would still have steerage, limited, but enough to sail slowly and get away with it.

However those that like narrow hulls (me included) should be aware that means necessarily a lot of heel and that if the boat is sailed fast that does not really means a comfortable motion:

YouTube - ‪route du rhum 1‬‏

The heeling reason has to do with the way the boat gets its initial righting moment, the one used to carry sails:

On a narrow boat there will be little form stability so that power come from the ballast. That's also why narrow boats need more ballast to sail. The ballast does generate very little RM with small angles of heel. You need to have a lot of heel for the ballast to be really effective.

On a beamy boat most of the RM comes from form stability and that is generated with small angles of heel. That's why beamy boats needs less ballast for sailing and sail with a lot less heel. Of course, in what regards reserve stability and inverted stability all the advantages go to narrow boats.

That's why I prefer a mixed solution, a boat not too beamy but also not to narrow. I would say that for a 40ft that means a beam between 3.70 and 3.90m. L'enfant perdu (40ft) has 3.16m

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Paulo,
I think we have a problem here.

You may have to change the title of this thread to:

Sailboat PORN!

absolutely stunning boats! Balta's Lefant Perdu really gets me going too, and has moved to my personal No. 1 mono.
Boat Porn Eh!!! It seems you like that

That's difficult to find better quality Boat Porn than what is provided by Patrick Balta. Look at these designs:
















He has even a 40class design, a narrow boat off course

http://www.balta.fr/Classe%2040.html

Patrick Balta - Architecte naval


Nemier, I find funny that you be interested in multihulls...and in the opposite kind of sailboats, very narrow deep bulbed boats. Extremes do touch sometimes

Some movies of Balta's boats...bad quality but beautiful boats that sail well:

YouTube - ‪MOV009‬‏

YouTube - ‪ADELE le bateau de Alain Maupas2‬‏

YouTube - ‪Maximus premiers essais‬‏

YouTube - ‪maximus 4.AVI‬‏

YouTube - ‪tangara.avi‬‏


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I don't think that should be a problem bigger than in most fast boats. At least in that one you would have two rudders that are the more fragile part of any boat. You could lose one and you would still have steerage, limited, but enough to sail slowly and get away with it.
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I was more worried about the whales and the sunfish than I was about the keel.
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That's difficult to find better quality Boat Porn than what is provided by Patrick Balta. Look at these designs:
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Nemier, I find funny that you be interested in multihulls...and in the opposite kind of sailboats, very narrow deep bulbed boats. Extremes do touch sometimes

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I was wondering when someone would pick up on the fact that my boat interests seem to be polar opposites
The reason is that these sexy boats by Balta are my 'personal' dream, but one my wife of 24 years does not share - what to do?
The Catamarans were an attempt to compromise and I'll soon be trying to enlighten my wife on the wonderful benefits of a Catana 47. But I'm prepared for the likelihood that our circumnavigation may be completed by a Nordhavn

I'm saving the Balta boat for my old age when I go sailing solo. Stay healthy Paulo and I'll sail over and show you my new Balta boat in (2030)
I wonder if this website will even exist by then? The Sailboat Porn thread, sorry, (interesting sailboats) thread will have 26,234 views and going strong
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I was wondering when someone would pick up on the fact that my boat interests seem to be polar opposites
The reason is that these sexy boats by Balta are my 'personal' dream, but one my wife of 24 years does not share - what to do?
The Catamarans were an attempt to compromise and I'll soon be trying to enlighten my wife on the wonderful benefits of a Catana 47. But I'm prepared for the likelihood that our circumnavigation may be completed by a Nordhavn

I'm saving the Balta boat for my old age when I go sailing solo. Stay healthy Paulo and I'll sail over and show you my new Balta boat in (2030)
I wonder if this website will even exist by then? The Sailboat Porn thread, sorry, (interesting sailboats) thread will have 26,234 views and going strong
Hum! I don't know if a Cat like the Catana 47 is the right choice. Cats can be uncomfortable with waves. They take the same wave two time, one in each hull .

Have you tried to convince her with a Cigale 16? The boat, specially the older version with water ballasts can be sailed even against the wind with very moderated heeling (15º) at a good speed:



I think it will be a more comfortable boat and one you would sail solo without any problem. Can you not convince her with this interior and outside views:







If I said to my wife to come and circumnavigate with me she would not come. She would not even would cross the Atlantic with me and I would never try to persuade her too hard. Go step by step, small steps:

Let your wife experience a Cigale 16 in the Caribbean, let her enjoy the sun and the Islands. Talk her to explore the med, tell her the med is beautifull and the sea allways calm (a small lie ). Buy a boat in Europe and explore the med, let her enjoy that. Later, with more experience, you will see if she will want to cross the Atlantic with you. otherwise you sent her by plane and enjoy the passage in one of the best boats you can have to do that.

Never but never say to her that you want to circumnavigate with her or that she would have to do a passage on the boat. Let her discover the good things in cruising bit by bit don't scare her let her gain confidence and let her have a complete confidence on you and things will go slowly but will go.

Boat Rental Monohull Cigale 16 Guadeloupe Antigua St Martin

Otherwise you can end up buying a boat that would not be indicated to solo sail and your wife with not be with you anyway.

Regarding this thread, I hope it will not last that long . This thread is a kind of occupational therapy for me. I explain: I am a doer and not a patient man but life but me in a situation where I have to be patient and wait that things happen, I mean professionally (the famous Portuguese Bureaucracy). Things are going as preview but the fact that I cannot do almost nothing but waiting would kill me if I had not find something to occupy my time. So in this and in a French forum I participate not only to share knowledge but also to improve my French and English skills. I really hope that in some short time I would have to occupy my time in a different and more profitable way

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