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What a beauty! And so it will be forever, while most other designs look outdated within few years. The kind of yacht you can live on, gather your family around and pass on to your children and grandchildren.

If only it can be kept in good shape... I'm afraid the maintenance of all this splendid woodwork implies a whole lot of sanding and varnishing, time and effort that can not be spent on sailing.
But I if one can afford such a beauty, he or her will probably not have to worry about doing the dishes, let alone the paintwork.

So what a beautiful dream this is, and what would life be without dreams... For me this thread works much better than a nightcap.

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Nice video. We can see that the boat is fast, easy to solo sailing and that it can take a lot of heeling without losing grip on the rudder and without broaching.

Regarding the test all I know is that the guy speaks Swedish and that's the end of my knowledge about the language. I believe there are some Swedes around this thread, maybe they can tell you if the guy says well or bad about the boat. If I understand something about body language I would say that he says mostly nice things

Rock, there is nothing like a test sail. Pick an airplane and go test one, even if you have to go far away.

This guy seems to have one for test sailing...on the wrong coast

‪New Jeanneau yacht 409 Sailboat start to delivery day sail B‬‏ - YouTube

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I saw the video 2 months ago so I have to take it from memory but basically he had only good things to say.

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Ive been looking at the Jeanneau 409 and it looks great. Only issue is the main being too far and theyve marketed this as great for shorthanded sailing. How do you work the traveler on this boat? Hope this isnt a stupid question.

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Looking at your conclusions, I have to admit I am quite surprised. I guess I'll have to race the Fox 10.20, and see by myself how this goes. It could be interesting..... I guess I'll need new sails by the time I reach Sydney. :-)
Adrien is just amazing, Capucine too. They have literally build Fox 10.20 on their own. Take a look at how Capado is born... http://capado.over-blog.com/albums.html
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Ive been looking at the Jeanneau 409 and it looks great. Only issue is the main being too far and theyve marketed this as great for shorthanded sailing. How do you work the traveler on this boat? Hope this isnt a stupid question.
There is no stupidity in wanting to be informed and in learning. That boat uses what is known as "German sheeting". Even if the traveler is over the cabin the control of the main is near the wheel. The lines are brought back.





I don't remember if the traveler control is over the cabin but the boom main control is near the wheel and that is what is really important in an emergency.

The reason the traveler is over the cabin is because that is the only set up that permits a big bimini and that is big plus while cruising, even while sailing, if you cruise in a place with warm climate as most do.

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Adrien is just amazing, Capucine too. They have literally build Fox 10.20 on their own. Take a look at how Capado is born... CAPADO creative boat
Not all of it. The Fox, as some similar French boats is offered in three versions:

All in kit or with the hull and superstructure made but not completely finished or as a finished boat. In their case they took the second option (as most of the guys that buy those boats) and just painted the hull finished the cabin and mounted the interior (that comes in kit).

Voiles et Voiliers : Essais et comparatifs - Fox 10.20 (Technologie Marine / Bertrand)

That gives a lot of work but permits huge savings on the boat. That way the boat complete with Vat (20%) and all costed them a bit more than 95 000€. They count to recover all that money selling the boat, that should worth at least that used, when they return.

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Two of those boats have been nominated for this year boat of the year contest: The Grand Soleil 50 and the Xp 44. I thought that would be an easy win for the Xp before looking at the video and hearing what they say about the Grand Soleil 50. Howw, the Grand Soleil 50 seems to be also a great boat. The boat looks amazing, in fact it looks bigger than a 50ft boat.

The Xp44 is hard to beat in what regards performance but the Grand Soleil 50 has a great performance in a delightful ambiance (look at the size of that galley). They say the boat is very stiff and that with a smother character will make it probably a better performance cruiser if the emphasis is put in fast cruising. On the Xp 44 the emphasis is put more in racing even if the boat has a great cruising interior.

Let me join more two recent great boats on this size, a cruiser racer, the Sly 48 and a very interesting boat that joins a good performance with the unbeatable cruising convenience of a swing keel and reduced draft, the Southerly 49. The boat also offers a Deck Saloon.....but look how the Grand Soleil looks bigger, sharper and more beautiful with its 2.90m draft. Well, you cannot have everything

‪Sly 48 C test di Vanni Galgani su Barcheinvideo‬‏ - YouTube

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‪Southerly 49 - La prova in mare di SoloVela‬‏ - YouTube

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Ive been looking at the Jeanneau 409 and it looks great. Only issue is the main being too far and theyve marketed this as great for shorthanded sailing. How do you work the traveler on this boat? Hope this isnt a stupid question.
On the contrary, I think this is a very intelligent question!

I agree with Paulo that the possibility to fit a bimini is probably the most important reason why so many production boats have only a short traveler on the coach roof. Charterers want bimini’s and charter companies are very important clients for mass production boatyards.

Otherwise it is really a pity, because modern sailplans reduce the foretriangle for easy handling, down to an little as 100% for self tacking jibs. So for a given sail area the mainsail becomes a lot bigger and efficient control is even more important.

Having the downhaul at hand to release it in case of emergency is a good thing. But to be able to master and trim a big mainsail, especially upwind, a performant traveler is essential. Unless you have a very powerful downhaul to control the leach and twist of the sail efficiently, which production boats almost never provide. In addition, the increasingly popular German sheeting system is not practical to respond quickly to puffs and lulls by means of the main sheet.

A traveler on the coachroof is completely out of hand, impossible to manage without using the winches and therefore almost never used. So I wonder why most builders even bother to fit it…

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Thanks for the pics Paulo. I think this setup is ideal for a cruisers and it is a great boat. But I'm looking at this in a racing perspective where you have to move the car up and down to optimize and like Erick mentioned most importantly letting out the main suddenly in an imminent collision which happens, well, every damn time.

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