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I am really glad that companies do look to the real boating or sailing experts--the users--for input on what they make. Great job.
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I just learned that the Outremer 42 is not built anymore. Sad. The last one has been build in 2007. It is unclear what will replace it.
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I just learned that the Outremer 42 is not built anymore. Sad. The last one has been build in 2007. It is unclear what will replace it.
I think they still build them, Ulf.
Outremer advertises the yacht on their website Catamaran Outremer - Nos Catamarans - Outremer 42
and through brokers 2011 Outremer 42 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com.

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Hi Paulo!
Well, you are at an extreme location in absolute peak season... And don't you think there is may be still a place for a 70 cm draft ship?
About the Outremer 42 availabilty: Its strage but in spite of their website they say the "... the moulds are too old now, and also this boat is too old-fashion compared to the demand. Since Xavier Desmarest bought the company he decided not to sell 42 anymore..."
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Finally the Salona 38 is on the water. It looks as good as it looked in the drawings and that's a good sign















At the end of this month I will be at the shipyard to have a good look at it
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That's some serious company there PCP! Looks like a nice place. Haven't been there but will head out to Corsica for 2 weeks on a SO 36i saturday and it looks like the weather will suit us well. I know, not a rocket, but the boat looks clean in Ajaccio and the Pogo guys in the Med only rent with a skipper....

Next time either Baleares or Croatia with friends, then family for a 10-14 day cruise - I'm thinking Croatia first, then Baléares....?

Keep us posted on the Salona. I'm heading to Structures end September to sea trial the 10.50 and see what it's like under sail. Checkbook in hand...
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A small remark.

In the last issue of german Yacht there is an article about chartering from out of Marseille. The boat they are chartering is an Wauquiez Opium 39 and it is the first time I read an article about chartering where the text is more about the boat than the trip. Among other things the crew refused to stop for bathing in some nice bays and instead wanted to continue sailing, but concluded that it will mean some long beatings going back. Article ended with a conlusion that the beating back was also a joy at 8,5 knots.

I can only agree as owner of hull #11.

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Hunter's arch mounted traveller deserves at least passing mention in this context.

Well, a bit late for me to reply...(I was away) but yes you are right. Arch mounted travelers are also to be considered as a different type. The first ones I saw were on Malos that use them for several decades and now many boats including Hunters and Benetaus use them.

I cannot speak for them because I have never used one but if well made it seems that they could be a good option for the short crew in what regards the use from the steering wheel place.

The line system has to be a bit complicated and probably with a bit friction but they can be used while sailing with a big bimini and that is a big plus. However if the lines get jammed on top with the bimini on it seems that would not be easy to get there to clear things away.

Someone has experience with them?

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If you check , you will find the Swedestar is actually less expensive then X -Yachts and Luffe. The Dragonfly is not ocean worthy enough to be in that company, a lake sailor.
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I would not call the Dragonfly 35 a lake sailor. They are stronger than the Corsair and I have already see a C27 that had circumnavigated. The Dragonflies are used mostly on Oceans and many well offshore. There was one for sail on the Caribbeans (sold quickly).

Like all good fast and demanding boats I would say they are a sailor's boat.

Well crewed it will go anywhere (even solo) but they will not be as forgiving as an Halberg-Rassy and should not be put in the hands of inexperienced sailors, at least offshore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Deli...ure=grec_index

That's a smaller one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3knz...eature=related

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As I was in Croatia for chartering a boat I pick the opportunity to went (again) at the Salona shipyard to have a look at the new 38. I will post some photos and comments about it specially because I was lucky and could pick a test sail on the water (it was booked for some Italian clients and I went along with them).

For the ones that don't know the Salona shipyard is in Solin that today is just a continuation of Split. Salona was a Roman city (today Solin) and the boat name is a tribute to that city.

The Salona 38 is a nice and sleek boat:











And is made with care by enthusiastic people. Last time I met and talked with the shipyard director and the resident architect (on holidays this time), this time I met Nenad, the Sales director (I had already met him on boat shows and exchanged some emails). Nenad is much more than a Sales director and is all the time thinking in ways to improve the boats and since it is the one that has more contact with the buyers, that are most of the time experienced sailors, he listen to what they have to say so he has always a handful of good ideas on the verge of becoming reality.

Funny thing, if you talk with the guys from Bennetau or Jeanneau they will take a lot of work explaining why the things you want cannot be made. On Salona they hear you with attention and if you make sense they just end up doing what you want and improving the boat.

Some pictures of the test sail and I start with this one taken when we were going out of marina Kastela: Do you recognize the boat on the background?



Yes, it is the Wally!!! We were waiting for him to open up the engines (16,800hp) to see it flying at 60K but it seems that the crisis have reached everybody and they have not the budget for fuel (that thing at speed wastes as much as a commercial jet).

The 118 WallyPower - a fast pleasure Yacht Onboard with OPC

Wally

Some more photos:









About the test sail it was very impressive in what regards sailing without almost no wind and that is one of the reasons I want a Salona. There were virtually no wind but the girl that come with us (a regatta sailor) just motored some 2 miles in direction of the Islands in front and soon we had some weak thermic wind: 2 to 4.5K and that is enough to glide 1K over wind speed.

We had good sails ( the optional cruising carbon sails that you can see on a previous post - same boat) but did not even had a genoa, just a small front gib. Best speed approached 6K and that was truly remarkable for the conditions. Most of the time we were between 4 and 5.5K. With a code 0 we would be sailing well over 6K. That was what I was expecting but sometimes you get disappointed...not this time

Regarding the other boat characteristics I would say that the most remarkable is the size of the central storage space (between the wheels). Trully outstanding. I believe that you can put there the big six fenders and still have space. That gives two more side lockers on the outside and a dedicated gas storage space for two bottles. That is enough for me in what regards outside storage and I could have the three cabin version if the head was not so small. Well I am a big guy, perhaps a smaller guy could live with that but not me).

The lateral passage space is good and the boat was equipped with very good hardware that really worked well. The winch for the main is really near the wheel and that makes the boat easy to sail solo.

The interior quality has improved as well as the storage spaces that are very well detailed. They have a very nice teak option that with the port hulls give it a very nice ambiance. They also have an optional second cooler (a vertical one) that we have tried on the 41 and that contrary to what I expected is a very good idea: You can control better your electric consumption (one or two working) and the little one is much more cooler than the big one making it ideal for really cold beer. It has also a small freezer that can take some fish or meat.









Normally the boats look better in the pictures but I have to say that with this one is just the opposite. I really liked what I saw, including the strong interior stainless still structure and I am very tempted for this boat.

I had asked for some minor alterations and they really try to comply with the client needs. I have asked for a big one, that makes a lot of sense to me, specially in a 38ft cruising boat that will be sailed solo offshore: more ballast and a different keel, one not designed to beat handicaps but for efficiency.

Basically I want a true torpedo keel on the end of a narrow keel and about more 250kg/300kg of ballast. The extra ballast is basically to dispense with the guys on the rail and to make it stiffer and more able to carry sail with stronger winds without reefing. If they can make that without increasing the price too much, I think this will be the one.

I will know about that soon.

Paulo

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