Interesting Sailboats

[PCP]

Hei Smack, another option, an intelligent one, I would say is the new Salona 60. I bet this one is going to quick ass at the regatta circuit it is fully customizable and will cost less than the Italian or the Nordic ones.

I find it beautifully:











This is a boat that will sail mainly between 10 and 12K and like all Salonas it will need little wind to sail at those speeds. Downwind with strong winds it will go much faster.

The first one is already sold and they plan to launch it next April. They say the boat has been sold to a sail celebrity but don't say to whom. A Sailor's boat sold to a good sailor probably to Nexus owner, Dean Barker (Emirates Team NZ America’s Cup skipper).

The boat was designed by Jason Ker one of my favorite designers. The Ker are among the fastest boats on the race circuit.

Ker Design

Description - Salona Yachts

Regards

Paulo

[PCP]

Let's stop talking about dream boats and talk about boats most people buy and among those the Benetau Oceanis is one of the bestsellers. The 40ft boats are now probably the boats that sell more so let's have a look at the new 41 an important boat made to counteract the Jeanneau 409 domination on this important sector. This boat need to be good because the 409 is really a benchmark.























Before saying something about this boat I would like to hear your comments so please say what you think about it. Do you like it?


http://www.beneteau.com/Sailing-Yach...nis/Oceanis-41

Regards

Paulo

[bb74]

Originally Posted by blt2ski

Anders,

Funny thing about your comment re the 409 and a bit of performance. Three of us on the Jeanneau-owners.com forum site, were all saying a bit more power, ie about a meter taller mast, deeper keel or a iron/lead option, upgraded winches both on the deck and cabin top, with 2 sets of winches on the deck for HS and spins. Probably slightly deeper thinner rudders, 3 reef ability on the main to name a few things we all thought would be good to have, ie a super performance over the std P version, which really only has a folding prop, upgraded deck gear and spin option. If one is going to upgrade, lets do a serious UPGRADE to the PERFORMANCE of the boat!

I have not seen one yet.....there is a boat show in Seattle in a couple of weeks, hopefully will have a chance to gander at the 409 and 379.

marty

Just got back from a 2 week bareboat charter of a SO 36i in Corsica and will have notes / comments tomorrow. Needless to say, everything you mentioned above is a must for someone that want's to have "fun" sailing one of these things.

[PCP]

Originally Posted by bb74

Just got back from a 2 week bareboat charter of a SO 36i in Corsica and will have notes / comments tomorrow. Needless to say, everything you mentioned above is a must for someone that want's to have "fun" sailing one of these things.

And please compare it with the Benetau oceanis 36 that you have sailed some time back.

Regarding performance and sail boats the problem is that performance is expensive and small differences in speed cost a lot of money. But you are right more important than speed is the feeling and the fun, they are priceless

Some years back I found a French Benetau dealer that was willing to modify an Oceanis Benetau 36 to make it a performance boat (on the lines of what Marty says). He had taken notes and made me an offer: it was ridiculous expensive The boat was not an inexpensive boat anymore but an expensive boat, as expensive as other performance boats and off course, with a much bigger devaluation as a used boat. That's the problem...

Regards

Paulo

[PCP]

While we are waiting on those comments on the Benetau 41 and for bb74 review, take a look at some interesting boats I saw while sailing:

This Schooner, that I found out is for sale for not too much money:





and this replica of a Phoenician sail boat, a cargo one:

[PCP]

First image of the new Dufour 36 performance:





I like it. A Felci design, probably to substitute the 34P.

[Chimbatete]

Hi Paulo and Anders,

While reading up on all these performance cruisers it seems like the Opium 39 has the best combination of upwind and downwind performance for 40 footers.

From some of the numbers, it seems to point better than a Pogo and better downwind than narrow boats like the Luffes ,Xs, Salonas. Interior seems better from the pics than the Js. Seems like a perfect racer/cruiser.

Am I making sense with regards to this boat?

[tdw]

Originally Posted by PCP

Hei Andrews,

If you have the catalog at home I would like to know if you have seen the 37 or the 41.

Regards

Paulo

Paulo,
It was the 41. To me it didn't offer a great deal more than the Hanse. Maybe it was just that I expected more. I must admit though that for the money the Salona's look the goods though for mine I'd rather go for something a bit more up market and a few years old.

I fully appreciate that I lose out in performance and some of the more modern bits and pieces.

I was watching a new Beneteau out on Sydney Harbour last weekend. Must say they are an impressive boat to look at and a good turn of speed. I don't know if it was the 41 (are they likely to be in Oz yet ?) but going on what I saw at the boat show and looking at your post I can't say I think much of the interior. I'd rather less open space in the fore cabin and bring the v-berth further aft, while I still want a purpose built chart table and seat. I know they are not really used for navigation any more but I like the desk with a comfortable seat. The more I see of them the less impressed I am with any of the modern crop of Ikea interiors.

Gieffe 60 - now that is impressive.

Essence is just plain silly. I don't get that at all. To me the sailing boat equivalent of those gawd awful ****'n'balls stink boats.

[PCP]

After being sailing and cruising for a month and a half without internet I was catching up and found out an amazing report about the last Fastnet (August) the biggest edition with more than 300 boats and this time with much more true racing sail machines.

The race had strong winds and it has a hard and fast race and the big news are the VOR 70:







The three made an incredible race beating all 100fts including the record older, Leopard. They arrived 1th, 2th and 3th on monohulls (real time), all the three beating the old record that belonged to the 100ft Leopard (2007).

The winner was a surprise, the Arab boat with a British skipper, beating Groupama with Camas for just 4 minutes (they had a lot of problems on Groupama).

http://www.regattanews.com/pressrele...=187&year=2011

Volvo Ocean Race 2011-2012 | Azzam takes record-breaking Fastnet win

The race could be even more interesting if the Maxi Rambler (100ft) would not have lost its keel when was leading the monohull race (mid-race). It was then chased closed by Leopard and the three VOR 70.

Some interesting videos:

http://www.regattanews.com/gallery.a...id=2&year=2011

Volvo 70s in Record Breaking Fastnet Battle - Volvo Ocean Race 2011-12 1080P HD - YouTube

Volvo Open 70s shine at the Rolex Fastnet Race - Volvo Ocean Race 2011-12 1080P HD - YouTube

Rolex Fastnet Race 2011: the start - YouTube

Rolex Fastnet Race 2011 start - YouTube

http://www.regattanews.com/gallery.a...id=2&year=2011


But of course, line honors went to Banque Populaire the big trimaran that only needed a bit more than half the time of the fastest monohull to complete the race

Fastnet 2011: Loïck Peyron bat 2 records sur Banque Populaire ! - YouTube

[smackdaddy]

Originally Posted by PCP

Let's stop talking about dream boats and talk about boats most people buy and among those the Benetau Oceanis is one of the bestsellers. The 40ft boats are now probably the boats that sell more so let's have a look at the new 41 an important boat made to counteract the Jeanneau 409 domination on this important sector. This boat need to be good because the 409 is really a benchmark.























Before saying something about this boat I would like to hear your comments so please say what you think about it. Do you like it?


Oceanis 41 / Oceanis / Sailing Yachts - BENETEAU

Regards

Paulo

I like the boat okay I guess...but I'm perplexed. So was Hunter the visionary on the whole arch thing? Hunter leading Beneteau?

Actually, I'm just not diggin' the arch...on any boat. Yes, it does clean up the cockpit a great deal (I remember commenting on the amount of line in Giu's cockpit back in the day), but it just looks a little goofy.