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The ARC Rally, the most popular amateur tansat, half amateur race, half I don't know what, started Yesterday this year with the incredible number of 217 sailboats and more than 1100 sailors from 28 nationalities

That's a good opportunity to see how cruising sailboats with really amateur crews will perform. On that list many boats that we talk about in this thread including a Pogo 10.50.

This year the Atlantic has been bad and have claimed many lives. Let's hope that all this guys can make it safely and let's see how they will cope, regarding bad weather and general performance.

On the entry list amazingly there are very few American made boats but we have a long list of brands and models including some recent ones that were discussed on this thread:

Shipman 63; Dufour 55e; Najad 405; OVNI 455; Pogo 10.50; First 40; Amel 54; Gunboat 66; among many recent models of many mass production boats, including Bavaria, Benetau, Jeanneau, Dufour and Elan. Let's see how perform inexpensive boats regarding expensive boats

Let's also see how several mass produced relatively small cats perform relatively to the monohulls. Lot's of them this year, mainly Lagoon, with one Katana and one Outremer.

List of entries:

Entry List for World Cruising Club: ARC

"Race" tracker:

Atlantic Rally for Cruisers 2011 - Powered by Yellowbrick Tracking

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Atlantic Rally for Cruisers 2011 - Powered by Yellowbrick Tracking

Some amazing results, a French Pulsar 50 trimaran, that is given a run for the money to the Gunboat 66, is leading.

Hei Nemier are you there? Are you sure you had give up about that idea about the fast multihull for cruising? I think the boat that is leading is for sale and at 320 000€ for a 2004 boat that obviously is in good state it don't seem a bad deal, considering that they will probably lower the price. Take a look:

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A French X40 is leading the small boats pack, ahead of a Portuguese jeanneau 49 that is leader in its class, a Norse First 40 is doing well as an italian X 362, a British X 45, 2 other British on Dufours (45e and 455) and surprisingly two French on Island Packets 485, but those two I suspect they will be only in the front while they have diesel for the engine

It will be fun to look at how all those boats perform.

You all are invited to join in, comenting boat's and sailors performance

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We should start another thread on the ARC. Some interesting discussions can take place on the type of boats making the run.
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We should start another thread on the ARC. Some interesting discussions can take place on the type of boats making the run.
Please Melrna open one if you want. The ARC has many interesting subjects I am only interested in a small one that has to do with the compared performance among different type of boats while sailed by amateur crews. I am not even interested in the classification that is given by handicap but on the true boat performance.

I while not stop this thread to follow the rally, that should be object of another thread, if there are people interested in it. That was not the case with the Caribbean 1500, that did not had any specific thread about it. I would be glad if there are interest to follow this one closely.

However the ones that want to comment here compared performance data between the several types of boats participating will be more than welcome. I intend to do that, from time to time. It is not the first time that I had done that on this thread regarding offshore events were the vast number of boats permits to take some conclusions about sailing performance including seaworthiness.

That has to do with interesting sailboats. Interesting sailboats sail well, even if they can have very different characteristics.

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The new Mylius 19e95 also known as Mylius 65 is on the water and not many words are necessary to describe it: Big, Very light, very fast, very beautiful and very expensive....What a boat!!!






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If you think the Mylius was a luxurious boat I think you are wrong. The 19e95 is a boat for a aesthete, a rich one of course and a spartan one in some aspects.

This is a new modern luxurious sailboat:





and a nice one for that matter. Not only the interior is great as they have managed great outside views (look at those huge hull "Windows") without the sailing inconvenient of a deck saloon.

This is a great sailboat with a marvelous interior that has no reflex on the outside shape of the boat and on boat performances. This movie is not good but you can see how the boat sails almost without wind and also as that incredible interior as no effect on the outside shape of the boat:






Well, it is a boat for a very rich guy, but at least a rich guy with a great taste that would chose one of those babies over an ugly big motorboat

At least with these ones we have the pleasure to see them sailing away


V 80' - Luce Guida

http://www.charterworld.com/index.ht...uce-guida-6442


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Let's have another look at the ARC boats reminding that a fast boat badly sailed can be slow but a slow boat even if well sailed has a limited speed and that even if these are all amateur crews there are big differences between their skill and qualities as sailors. However in so many boats some meaningful results can be found.

First the leading ones: It seems that the two leading multihulls have very similar speed: The bigger and luxurious Gunboat 66 (American) and the smaller and more spartan trimaran Pulsar 50 (French). They are very close.

The amazing one among the fast boats is the 40ft class40 Akilaria (Austrian) that is very close to the two leading multihulls leaving behind other much bigger racing boats. The deception is the small Pogo 10.50 that if well sailed should be doing a lot better.

Also chapeau to the British girls (feminine crew) on the Elan 37 (the previous model of the 38) that had departed many hours after the others and that are catching up (probably they thought the guys needed an handicap).

Those two strange French Island Packet (strange because I was not seeing a French buying a IP) that I had talk about last time, seem to be some glitch on the tracker. There are only two IP, both British, one is very well positioned and that I think is doing good use of its 1140L of fuel, the other one is a IP45 that is way behind.

The Portuguese Jeanneau 49 continues to go well, surrounded by much bigger boats with the exception of a British smaller XC 45 that has been near from the start. This is a cruising boat from the x yacht line. It has similar seaworthiness comfort and price characteristics with an Halberg Rassy but it is way faster. Still it is amazing that he can put up in speed with a Jeanneau 49P. A great boat the XC45, one of the best cruisers of this length if not the best for the ones that don't like to go faster than anybody

Also a British Oyster 48 doing well, an incredibly fast Italian X362, a German OVNI 455 doing well as a Brittish Dufour 40, a British First 40, a French Hanse 470, a British Benetau Oceanis 50, a British Jeanneau 49DS and a British Dufour 45e.

Another thing that becomes clear is that not even with downwind sailing any of the several Lagoon 42 seem to be a match for the fastest monohulls with its size.

There are certainly other boats doing well that I have missed. that would become more clear ahead.

Atlantic Rally for Cruisers 2011 - Powered by Yellowbrick Tracking

Entry List for World Cruising Club: ARC

Some movies with some of those boats:

The Gunboat 66:



The Akilaria 40fter



The Jeanneau 49



The small syster of the Xc 45, the Xc 42



the Xc 45

http://www.voilesetvoiliers.com/chan...eur-de-milles/


I will post movies of the boats that are doing very well.

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Very interesting Catamaran test by Yachtworld. They have tested at the same time in the water three of the most popular mid size cats, the Broad blue 435, the Lagoon 400 and the Lipari 41.

The have invited for the testing Nigel Irens, a top NA (including multihulls) and a top cat sailor Brian Thompson. Even if you don't like this type of cats don't lose the chat at the end of the video where Thompson talks about sailing at 45K while trying to slow down the boat and about sailing at 20k speed without sails (only the mast) while trying to read the instructions to put down a parachute anchor. I am happy he did not cause at that speed probably we would be overboard with the parachute line, would broke the parachute line or the boat, on the point he attached the parachute.

About the test it is very funny because they can really not separate the boats, except saying that the Broadblue has a bit better overall quality (it is more expensive). They say that they are not designed for performance and that they are very good for the family, have a fantastic interior, that they are safe boats but where they are really excellent is when they are at anchor or tied up to a marina

They don't say that they are very good for sailing, probably forgot about that part, but say that they are very good for family holidays. I guess that is why we see so many Cats of thise type

Yachting World MultiHull Test Video from Richard Langdon on Vimeo.


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Take a look at this beautiful boat, one of the fastest on the planet: Banque Populaire V





This boat can go over 40K, in fact on the last movie it is making 41K.

Yesterday Banque Populaire started a new attempt for the world record circumnavigation skipped by Loick Peiron.

The incredible record of a bit more than 48 days is on the hands of Franck Cammas on Groupama (the trimaran). Franck Cammas is now the skipper of the French boat at the Volvo Ocean race, Grupama (the VOR70).

Here you can follow almost in real time the attempt. The tracker shows the boat position the winds and also the position of Groupama on the last circumnavigation so we can see if Peiron is winning or losing time.

http://www.voile.banquepopulaire.fr/...hie-c5191.html

Till now Peiron is winning a lot. He had a very fast start and he is already about 150Nm ahead.

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Great videos. Love to watch them.
As for the ARC I was looking at it last night. Looked like they had great wind. Everyone was doing great speed except the big race boats. Not sure why they were so slow. Maybe not enough wind for them. The Gunboat 66 and Pulsar 50 are taking a different rhumb line so it will be interesting to see how they finish.
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