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Some amazing results, a French Pulsar 50 trimaran, that is given a run for the money to the Gunboat 66, is leading.

Hei Nemier are you there? Are you sure you had give up about that idea about the fast multihull for cruising? I think the boat that is leading is for sale and at 320 000€ for a 2004 boat that obviously is in good state it don't seem a bad deal, considering that they will probably lower the price. Take a look:

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A French X40 is leading the small boats pack, ahead of a Portuguese jeanneau 49 that is leader in its class, a Norse First 40 is doing well as an italian X 362, a British X 45, 2 other British on Dufours (45e and 455) and surprisingly two French on Island Packets 485, but those two I suspect they will be only in the front while they have diesel for the engine

It will be fun to look at how all those boats perform.

You all are invited to join in, comenting boat's and sailors performance

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We should start another thread on the ARC. Some interesting discussions can take place on the type of boats making the run.

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We should start another thread on the ARC. Some interesting discussions can take place on the type of boats making the run.
Please Melrna open one if you want. The ARC has many interesting subjects I am only interested in a small one that has to do with the compared performance among different type of boats while sailed by amateur crews. I am not even interested in the classification that is given by handicap but on the true boat performance.

I while not stop this thread to follow the rally, that should be object of another thread, if there are people interested in it. That was not the case with the Caribbean 1500, that did not had any specific thread about it. I would be glad if there are interest to follow this one closely.

However the ones that want to comment here compared performance data between the several types of boats participating will be more than welcome. I intend to do that, from time to time. It is not the first time that I had done that on this thread regarding offshore events were the vast number of boats permits to take some conclusions about sailing performance including seaworthiness.

That has to do with interesting sailboats. Interesting sailboats sail well, even if they can have very different characteristics.

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The new Mylius 19e95 also known as Mylius 65 is on the water and not many words are necessary to describe it: Big, Very light, very fast, very beautiful and very expensive....What a boat!!!






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If you think the Mylius was a luxurious boat I think you are wrong. The 19e95 is a boat for a aesthete, a rich one of course and a spartan one in some aspects.

This is a new modern luxurious sailboat:





and a nice one for that matter. Not only the interior is great as they have managed great outside views (look at those huge hull "Windows") without the sailing inconvenient of a deck saloon.

This is a great sailboat with a marvelous interior that has no reflex on the outside shape of the boat and on boat performances. This movie is not good but you can see how the boat sails almost without wind and also as that incredible interior as no effect on the outside shape of the boat:






Well, it is a boat for a very rich guy, but at least a rich guy with a great taste that would chose one of those babies over an ugly big motorboat

At least with these ones we have the pleasure to see them sailing away


V 80' - Luce Guida

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Let's have another look at the ARC boats reminding that a fast boat badly sailed can be slow but a slow boat even if well sailed has a limited speed and that even if these are all amateur crews there are big differences between their skill and qualities as sailors. However in so many boats some meaningful results can be found.

First the leading ones: It seems that the two leading multihulls have very similar speed: The bigger and luxurious Gunboat 66 (American) and the smaller and more spartan trimaran Pulsar 50 (French). They are very close.

The amazing one among the fast boats is the 40ft class40 Akilaria (Austrian) that is very close to the two leading multihulls leaving behind other much bigger racing boats. The deception is the small Pogo 10.50 that if well sailed should be doing a lot better.

Also chapeau to the British girls (feminine crew) on the Elan 37 (the previous model of the 38) that had departed many hours after the others and that are catching up (probably they thought the guys needed an handicap).

Those two strange French Island Packet (strange because I was not seeing a French buying a IP) that I had talk about last time, seem to be some glitch on the tracker. There are only two IP, both British, one is very well positioned and that I think is doing good use of its 1140L of fuel, the other one is a IP45 that is way behind.

The Portuguese Jeanneau 49 continues to go well, surrounded by much bigger boats with the exception of a British smaller XC 45 that has been near from the start. This is a cruising boat from the x yacht line. It has similar seaworthiness comfort and price characteristics with an Halberg Rassy but it is way faster. Still it is amazing that he can put up in speed with a Jeanneau 49P. A great boat the XC45, one of the best cruisers of this length if not the best for the ones that don't like to go faster than anybody

Also a British Oyster 48 doing well, an incredibly fast Italian X362, a German OVNI 455 doing well as a Brittish Dufour 40, a British First 40, a French Hanse 470, a British Benetau Oceanis 50, a British Jeanneau 49DS and a British Dufour 45e.

Another thing that becomes clear is that not even with downwind sailing any of the several Lagoon 42 seem to be a match for the fastest monohulls with its size.

There are certainly other boats doing well that I have missed. that would become more clear ahead.

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Some movies with some of those boats:

The Gunboat 66:



The Akilaria 40fter



The Jeanneau 49



The small syster of the Xc 45, the Xc 42



the Xc 45

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I will post movies of the boats that are doing very well.

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Very interesting Catamaran test by Yachtworld. They have tested at the same time in the water three of the most popular mid size cats, the Broad blue 435, the Lagoon 400 and the Lipari 41.

The have invited for the testing Nigel Irens, a top NA (including multihulls) and a top cat sailor Brian Thompson. Even if you don't like this type of cats don't lose the chat at the end of the video where Thompson talks about sailing at 45K while trying to slow down the boat and about sailing at 20k speed without sails (only the mast) while trying to read the instructions to put down a parachute anchor. I am happy he did not cause at that speed probably we would be overboard with the parachute line, would broke the parachute line or the boat, on the point he attached the parachute.

About the test it is very funny because they can really not separate the boats, except saying that the Broadblue has a bit better overall quality (it is more expensive). They say that they are not designed for performance and that they are very good for the family, have a fantastic interior, that they are safe boats but where they are really excellent is when they are at anchor or tied up to a marina

They don't say that they are very good for sailing, probably forgot about that part, but say that they are very good for family holidays. I guess that is why we see so many Cats of thise type

from Richard Langdon on Vimeo.


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Take a look at this beautiful boat, one of the fastest on the planet: Banque Populaire V





This boat can go over 40K, in fact on the last movie it is making 41K.

Yesterday Banque Populaire started a new attempt for the world record circumnavigation skipped by Loick Peiron.

The incredible record of a bit more than 48 days is on the hands of Franck Cammas on Groupama (the trimaran). Franck Cammas is now the skipper of the French boat at the Volvo Ocean race, Grupama (the VOR70).

Here you can follow almost in real time the attempt. The tracker shows the boat position the winds and also the position of Groupama on the last circumnavigation so we can see if Peiron is winning or losing time.

http://www.voile.banquepopulaire.fr/...hie-c5191.html

Till now Peiron is winning a lot. He had a very fast start and he is already about 150Nm ahead.

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Great videos. Love to watch them.
As for the ARC I was looking at it last night. Looked like they had great wind. Everyone was doing great speed except the big race boats. Not sure why they were so slow. Maybe not enough wind for them. The Gunboat 66 and Pulsar 50 are taking a different rhumb line so it will be interesting to see how they finish.

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Melrna, nice to have your company while looking at the Rally. Yes that was a good night and I wish I was there

The British Girls on the Elan 37 had a great night and almost closed on the back of the pack. Knowing that they had started with more than a 100Nm handicap, that's a dam good performance even better if we consider that they have one of the smallest boats in the Rally.

Great also for the Portuguese Jeanneau 49 that left behind that XC45 and also a great night for the guys on French X-40 and on the British First 40 Lancelot II. Their position at the head of the race among big boats confirm the big offshore potential of the First 40 (and X-40) that I had already noticed on the Sydney-Hobart. Of course they are also great sailors for sure. Another First, a British 40.7 are also making good speed, as a British Dufour 45e and a Oceanis 50.

Even if my major interest lays on affordable mass production boats there are also some medium height boats doing a great race: A Duch Standfast 56, two British Swan 46mk II,a Spanich Swan 56, a Norse Sweden 45 a and a Xc 45.

If we take a look at the brands that are doing better, I would say Jeanneau is doing great. Besides the Portuguese one has another 49, Kotari, a British one making a hell of a race as one, another British49DS (Buterfly) and also a Canadian Sunfast 43. There are also some 53DS doing well.

Among the older boats, Swan are the most impressive.

But the ones that impresses me more are recent X-yacht boats. The total number of X-Yachts produced is tiny if compared with Jeanneau, not to mention Benetau, Dufour or Bavaria but their number on this rally is disproportional high and almost all if not all the boats are doing very well:

I had already talked about the Xc 45 and about the incredible good performance of a French X-40 and a small Italian x-362. To them we can join the Norse X-43 Exqui and some bigger boats that are also doing extremely well. Look at the two X-55, one Turkish, the other Canadian, a Spanish 46 and a Dutch X-612.

Dam good boats the X-Yachts in my opinion. Great cruising interiors even on the performance line, fast, strong and seaworthy boats.

Let's have a look at some videos and some information about X-Yachts:

They have three lines of boats: Racing, performance cruising and cruising.

The Xc-45 belongs to the the line of cruising boats, boats that have similar characteristics with the Halberg-Rassy , I mean the more modern HR, but X-yacht have a technical superior build and I am talking about the hull, not about interiors.

All the others belong to the line of X-Yacht performance cruisers, also vulgarly called cruiser/racers, but this ones, contrary to many boats in that category are very good cruising boats with a great interior.

The X-55 was 2007 European boat of the year and even if I cannot find any decent movie, the interior and boat characteristics can be seen here. Look at that interior: This is not a race boat, but as they say, a performance cruiser.

X-55 Performance Cruiser

I cannot find any good movies of the 55 but I have found one about the 50ft performance boat, just a bit smaller but with identical characteristics:






There are several good test boats with videos about the more recent Xc 50 from the cruising line:







The X-43 is not produced anymore, it was replaced last year by the x-44. The X-43 was for many time my dream boat, the one I would have if I could afford it.





And the new 44 is not worse, just more modern and faster. The interior is also great without beig uxorious is cozy and comfortable:

http://www.x-yachts.com/seeems/122912.asp









The Xp 44 can be fully exploited by an expert crew or can be sailed more conservatively by a duo and even so going very fast. It is a very stiff and seaworthy boat.

The X-612 was the Flag hsip of X-yachts:

http://www.1yachtua.com/Buy/X-YACHTS/x-612[1].html

Now it is replaced by the x-65.

X-65





They only have a defect: They are expensive

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