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I'm not sure, if this boat has been posted yet...?
Gunfleet 43, was exhibited at the Southhampton Boatshow, a new venture for Richard Mathews (founder of Oyster Yachts), and designed by Tony Castro.
I find the design quite innovative, and not a repetition of features on other "new" designs, from the deck layout, helm (why hasn't anyone else thought of this?), and interior design. Also notable are the many opening portholes and hatches for good ventilation below, which so many new designs lack. Sail handling looks like the boat would be easy to single hand as well.
The Mathews/ Castro combo should also assure good sailing performance, can't wait for a review.....
13m Gunfleet 43 | Tony Castro Yacht Design
Hei Bjung, thanks for posting, but I guess that we don't have the same opinion I like the interior and the overall quality and that's all.

I saw this design some months back then it was on Southampton and Hamburg boat shows but as I did not like the boat I did not post about it.

I found the boat very ugly and with an old hull design although a modern bulbed keel.









That is a very British boat in a bad sense, I mean old design and ugly, one that only the English would like (are you English Bjung) but things are not what used to be anymore and even the English are making nice looking boats now. I bet than in two years they are going out of business and that Southerly are going to eat them alive.

That wheel even if nice it is not new. Arcona DS and Dehler 41 DS among others used them.

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Hey Paulo,

Thought this my interest you. Our godson is crewing on a Salona 44 in this year's Sydney to Hobart.

Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race 2011.. The Yachts

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Hey Andrews, I have seen that the Salona 44 and your godson have done well on the Hobart: 32th overall and 3th on the division 2 on ORCI only beaten by two First 45 and not for much, a little bit more than 2 hours for the class winner, Victoire that is a well of a boat and it is a chronic winner of that class on the Hobart.

Fact is that the First is probably more efficient with heavy weather upwind, it is a heavier boat with a bigger B/D ratio. If there was some light wind sailing evolved the story could be other. I guess that the best boat to win that class in that race is the new XP-44. I wonder why there was none racing.

Please ask your godson what was his impression about the boat and post it here. I would like to know his opinion and the way the boat performed.



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Comet 31

I have passed the new year's eve in Rome and among other things went to have a look at where the Romans keep their boats. Mostly they keep them out of the marina on the river banks, a really nice place and I found there this beauty:













That's a brand new Comet 31 s, so new that they don't have yet pictures in their site

The boat is absolutely gorgeous one of those things you just want to have and I bet that it is a lot of fun to sail. Look at this specs:


Loa. 10,44 m
Hull lenght 9,74 m
beam 3,48 m
Draft 1,90 m
weight 3.900 Kg
ballast std 1.090 kg

Engine 20 hp
Diesel tank 45 lt
Water tank 170 lt

Sails
Main 32.80 m2
Genoa 108% 24.00 m2
Gennaker 85.00 m2

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Category B-A
Price 69.000,00 €

The numbers look as good as the boat. With 28% of B/D ratio but with all the weight on a bulb at 1.90m and a lot of form stability this small animal can carry a lot of sail and a geenaker with 85m2 for 3900kg is a lot of sail

This beauty should plane very easily: a delightful rocket sailboat that seems to have the potential for coastal cruising and the most amazing is that they say that the boat is certified for offshore work (RCD A category). On a light boat of this size that means a very well designed boat and a seaworthy boat for its size with good stability parameters.



I really like this one

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Sly yachts are among the very exclusive group of sailboats that mix luxury with top performance sailing and they are among the best. A true Ferrari of the seas; exclusive boats for the very rich.

Well not anymore, now the less rich can also have a Sly:

They are making a 38ft with moderate beam (3.70), 2.30m draft for 5500kg of weight and 85m2 of sail area upwind.

It is going to be fast and beautiful as all Sly. Take a look:




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Hey Paulo,
I shall save my Congratulations until the finance is in place, as you wish

.... For what it's worth, I believe you have made a great choice and you really can't go wrong with this boat (Salona 38) - well done Paulo!
Well, I have a sad announcement to made: I will not have that Salona 38

See Nemier, it gives bad luck to give congratulations before it happens.

Nothing to to with the Salona 38 or the guys from Salona that have been fantastic neither with the leasing concession but with the conditions.

Actually I have signed a leasing contract on the Paris boat show on the therms and conditions we have agreed almost a year ago, but it seems that on these days of crisis conditions are changing fast, not the ones that regards the leasing but the ones that regards tax.

I was taking advantage of a tax possibility they had with leasing: out of the EC waters I would not pay VAT on the leasing (23%). I was buying the boat directly to the Factory in Croatia (out of EC) VAT free and I would maintain the boat there with French flag till they enter to EC then would sail to Turquey and maintain the boat there. I could travel in any EC country for 6 months if I returned to out of EC before that.

As my program for the next 2 or 3 years is to know and sail on the Eastern Med that would suit me. I would pay the boat in 4 years and on the last months of the last year I would bring the boat to EC water, pay VAT on the last leasing and end up with a boat in my name with the VAT paid.

This has been made....till now Now it seems I cannot sail a single day on EC waters without paying the VAT and when I enter EC Waters I would have to pay VAT on the actual value of the boat that in 3 or 4 years would be about 150 000€.

That means not only that the boat would cost 30 000€ more than what I was prepared to pay but also that the boat could not sail in EC waters for any period of time without the VAT paid. That is a no deal since Croatia is going to enter EC next year and I could only sail in Turkish waters. I could not explore Greek Islands and cannot sail to açores, Madeira and Canarias as I want to.

I don't fell very bad with the Salona guys that were impecable and have developed a lot of modifications to do on the boat at my request because I know that I have helped to develop a better boat, even commercially and I know that because I talked with the French dealer (Paris boat show):

He wanted to know what were the modifications I had asked on the boat and after I have describe them to him he told me that he was asking for those same modifications without results and was completely baffled when I said that I had already the study designs made by Leo, the Salona house designer, of a nice carbon fixed bowsprit with an anchor roller and an anchor stand and the designs of a nice pair of integrated pods for the instruments. He didn't know nothing about it and was almost jumping with enthusiasm (a very nice guy, young and very enthusiastic).

So, anyway the Salona 38 would be the boat I would chose for the amount of money I had. If bought it know (at the beginning of the year) not only they would make me the boat I want as they would make me a nice discount. I have only good things to say about them.

But since I am short of 30 000€ I know I cannot find any new boat that can satisfy me and my sailing and cruising program and I am looking for a 2006/2007 used boat. I went to Roma, not only for the fun of the new year's eve but to see some boats. I almost bought one (I would not say the brand) that seemed almost perfect but unfortunately the hull moisture was over what should be expected and that was a no deal. But I have found very competent and nice guys that are helping me to find the boat I want, so if everything goes right there is a strong possibility that I will have a boat soon (I hope).

Guys, I am telling you all this because otherwise you would think that I am mad or that Salona would have not satisfied me. Well, I am a little mad, but nothing wrong with salona

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And a beautiful boat, "Eilean", designed by William Fife III, a classic 1936 sailboat (movie by Yacht magazine):



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Dear Paulo
So sad to hear that you will not be buying the Salona after all. You have given us readers so much pleasure through this thread, and I am sure we all were happy for you because you seemed to have found the right boat for yourself. Too bad that it didn' work out!
Anyway, best of luck in your new hunt for a used boat. There are many interesting boats out there, as any reader of this thread knows And of course, looking for a new boat is exciting, so enjoy!
However, I didn't quite understand the tax problem. Is there any particular reason why you wanted to fly a French flag? Would the problem be solved if you gave the boat a Turkish flag? You might even choose to register the boat as belonging to my country, Norway, also outside of the EU. I believe you do not need to pay the Norwegian vat as long as the boat is not brought into the country.
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I guess everybody knows the boat that has a reputation of being a seaworthy boat. It is an old design and an heavy and slow boat and most of you are probably thinking why the hell I am talking here about this boat.

Well, I could not resist I want to share with you all an article that I have read on the "Yacht" magazine, that's about Tom Corogan an American sailor that with 84 years has failed (again) his sixth attempt to round the Horn. This time he broke the boat mast. Somebody should tell him to try on another boat

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/articl...rn-2441149.php

Seriously the guy is a character, an experienced sailor that have sailed extensively his boat and has all my respect. I would like to be able to sail offshore solo with 84 years of age.



You can find the article here:

Seenotfall: 84-jähriger Einhandsegler gerettet - Panorama*|*YACHT.DE

or a full interview on the November issue of Latitudes 38

http://www.westsail.org/Resources/Do...L38112011s.pdf

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So why don't you buy the boat in Florida, sail around the Carib for a few years then take it to your home waters? I understand there is no sales tax in Florida (smart move on their part) and annunal registration can't be more than a few hundred dollars a year. Carib moorings shouldn't be more expensive than Med moorings and travel will probably be a wash.
Also, does paying the VAT immediately upon entry in Eurozone apply to USCG documented vessels?
Also, buy it without sails and equipment to establish purchase basis then add all the toys later at six to eight percent sales tax or over the internet and no sales tax.
I'm not a tax lawyer, or lawyer of any type and my advice might get you in trouble with the tax man, but if you really love that boat then there must be some way to defer the VAT.
Go talk to a tax man.
I've enjoyed this thread immensly, thanks.
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There is a 6% sale tax in Florida up to $3000,000 boat ($18,000) in taxes. So I am not so sure that will work. In NC there is no sales tax on a used boat I believe. If the Florida law changed on Jan 1st that would be great because I am in the boat buying mode right now and like Paulo my budget is busted because of the sales tax in Florida on a new boat.

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