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Lease it in France and save half the VAT if you have it outside of EU waters for half the time. Fixes half the problem although I don't know what interest rates are looking like on boats these days.

Then rent it out a few weeks to some friends / family the first 2 or 3 years and you can recoup the 15K€ difference over time pretty easily. As long as they are good sailors, no problem.

If you really want it, you know you can find a solution.
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Lease it in France and save half the VAT if you have it outside of EU waters for half the time. Fixes half the problem although I don't know what interest rates are looking like on boats these days.

Then rent it out a few weeks to some friends / family the first 2 or 3 years and you can recoup the 15K€ difference over time pretty easily. As long as they are good sailors, no problem.

If you really want it, you know you can find a solution.
Not really. I know everything about French leasing, I even had one signed at the Paris boat show but you probably don't know that the rules are going to change this year (it is already on EC law).

If you are a French it is like that, you will only pay 50% of VAT on the leasing and that means that you can pay the boat in 6 years have the VAT paid and have a boat for a slightly inferior price of what you would get it if you buy the boat immediately to a dealer and paid the VAT at that time.

Unfortunately that is going to change at the end of this year for the ones that are not French (or Italian in the case of the similar Italian leasing) and the fiscal regime that will be applied will not be the one from the leasing company but the one from the client's country, I mean the one that is paying leasing (the future owner of the boat). That means that I will only pay 50% VAT on 12 rents but I will have to pay 100% VAT on 30 rents.

You are lucky, you are French, take advantage on that while you can because I don't think it will last long

And regarding charter the boat, well that is nice with friends till you start to ask them some money...then it is not nice anymore and I have no disposition for charting unless I really have too. I prefer a 4 or 5 years's old boat to having a new boat and have to do charter it.

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Today I will propose you a comparison between two great boats, yes they are great and at BIG, the Halberg Rassy 64 that is nominated for the European boat of the year and the Comet 62, a big brother from the 31 that I have posted some posts back.

The Comet 62 is a 4 year old boat but has not a wrinkle and even looks more modern than the HR 64 that is a nice boat. Well, the HR 64 is a nice boat, the Comet 62 is gorgeous boat, about the same difference between a nice house keeper (I mean a wife) and a top model, if you know what I mean.

The boats were both tested last year by Yachtworld magazine and it was not a comparative test since both boats will appeal to different kinds of sailors.

Both testers were, a lady and a guy, were very impressed with the boats that each one tested.

First, the HR 64:




The tester was alone in the boat with Magnus Rassy and could verify what Rassy had told her: That the boat was designed to be easily sailed by a couple.

On demanding conditions with 21 to 23K wind she said:

"As easy to sail as a small boat...with push button controls...it is so easy using buttons at the binnacle that you can play the mainsheet like a dinghy"

She was very impressed with the overall quality of the boat.

The boat is fast too and on a reach they have made between 9.5K and 10K.


The Comet 62RS:




The tester said:

"I come away impressed with the Comet 62RS...it would be hard to tire of her lines...the quality of her build becomes obvious when you sail her. Her fittings are...oversized which boosts confidence.

She proved rewarding and powerful with a good turn of speed and a comfortable cruising motion. ..The Italian yard...injects character, soul and quality into their boats."


The boat has the 4 winches around the wheel, two back and two forward to permit short crew sailing and they are electric.

With 9/12K wind the boat made 7.5K at 23º/27º apparent wind and 8.5/9K at 25º apparent wind with 20K wind.

The owner apologized about the hull being dirty and said that in normal conditions with a clean hull the boat would be a knot faster.

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These hull profiles and stability curves show all the difference between both boats in what regards power and sailing:








These small graphics were taken from YachtingWorld magazine (I hope they don't mind) and you can find there the complete tests. They have the magazine on line on Zinio and you can find the Halberg Rassy test on the 2011 Setember issue and the Comet test on the July 2011 issue.


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First movies and boat tests with the new Jeanneau 509, a fast cruiser with a fantastic interior, a true house boat:





And the video from the boat test on Yacht magazine. The ones really interested on the boat should read the test on the last number of yacht magazine.


http://tv.yacht.de/video/Neues-Flagg...7600c0c2abc975


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THEY HAVE MADE IT!!!!

New world record on the circumnavigation time:

45 days 13 hours 42 minutes 53 minutes.

Loïck Peyron and his team own the Jules Verne trophy and they were a lot faster than Jules Verne.

They have made 29 002 Nm at the incredible average speed of 26,51 K


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For the ones that are not following closely the Volvo race, this fantastic video with great images of the finish of 2º leg on Abu Dhabi:




The Volvos are really beautiful boats, a bit wet to my taste
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And talking about Abu Dhabi it is appropriated talk about Dhows, a Generic name for different types of boats that have in common having latin sails and be part of the Arabic or Muslim heritage. Some where heavily influenced by the Portuguese Caravel that dominated those seas on the XVI century.

The Traditional Dhow

Nabataea: Maritime

http://catnaps.org/islamic/boats.html

Fortunately there as been a renaissance of interest on these boats on the Emirates and they are used for racing. Beautiful boats and on its racing versions, fast boats. Have a look:










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And how about this?



Provisional Itinerary | Capehornrace

It will stick?

It can be very interesting



"The race round Cape Horn Island constitutes a « race within a race » with its own prologue from Ushuaia to the Cape, and its own epilogue from the Horn to Port Williams. The first edition of the event starts at Saint Tropez with stoppover ports in Argentine, Brazil, Chile and Spain. In total, the race route comprises 6 legs, 6 stoppover ports, during a period of 6 months. The competiton is open to all monophull yachts between 47 and 75 feet (14.3 and 23 m): an IRC handicap race, which allows all teams to compete equally, whether they are onboard a producton, charter, or racing yacht. Throughout 15,000 nautical miles of ocean challenge, the fleet will be tracked by satellite. In accordance with IRC rules, the fastest yacht on corrected time, wins."


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New boat to be presented in Dusseldorf, an Italian one, the Iy 13.98, a Maurizio Cossutti design, a boat with beautiful classic lines, a very well constructed and fast boat.

Made with e-glass and vinilester resins with a cored hull, the boat is light (8950kg) and has a big B/D ratio, if we consider that it has a torpedo keel with 3100kg at 25m draft. Considering that the boat has a moderated beam (4.30m) that would make it very very stiff and with 124 m2 of sail this boat should go upwind like an arrow. It also was a geenaker that could be used on a broad reach and if we consider the sail area of the boat in that configuration (226 m2), this boat would need only 4K of wind to go fast.

I would definitively call this one an interesting sailboat













They say about the boat:

Italia 13.98 resumes and extends the design philosophy introduced with the first model of the yard. Italia 13.98 is therefore a real luxury yacht where technology and performances meet, looking for a blend between classic and modern lines.

Performances and easy handling are in the DNA of the boats designed by Italia Yachts as well as the search for maximum comfort on board and the rationality of the use of space above and below deck.


Interiors of Italia 13.98 are luxurious with wide use of teak and precious materials. The layout has three comfortable cabins and two bathrooms, one with separate shower.

The whole environment is characterized by intense brightness provided by many openable skylights an hull side windows that can be blacked out.

Stowage spaces both in owner's bow cabin than in the two aft cabins are spacious and comfortable.
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Do you know where is the best place to find interesting sailboats (besides this thread)?

Dusseldorf boat show, without any doubt. If you have never been there you could not imagine the size.

I an posting about this because the boat show is this month between 21 and 29 of this month. You will find there dealers from all the world including America and that's probably the place where you can get a better deal on a new boat.

What you are going to gain with special boat show prices will vastly compensates the price of the voyage and that is probably also true for charting where the prices can go till 20% under what you can manage on the net.

Besides Dusseldorf is a very nice place with great food and a brewery that makes beer on the spot and has a terrific ambiance (kind of 30's if you know what I mean). It is the German city with highest living standards and German standards are not low. A lovely city in the center of Europe with excellent fast railway connections to many big European cities. That's why the world's biggest boat show is there in first place.

After the first time I was there at almost 10 years ago I returned almost every year. I am not going this year and I am already missing it

Just to give you an idea:

.... 1,600 exhibitors from over 50 countries will be presenting their innovations for the coming season in 17 Düsseldorf exhibition halls from 21 to 29 January 2012 – from fishing rods right through to luxurious large yachts....

International and unrivalled for boats and yachts Messe Düsseldorf expects some 650 foreign participations at boot 2012. This means more than one in three exhibitors will come from abroad...An unrivalled international array of boats with 1,700 types of all sizes spreads over eleven exhibition halls. ..

Boot Düsseldorf is a must for yachtsmen! Halls 16 and 17 await them with a top-notch range of sailing boats and yachts presented by 150 exhibitors.

Particularly positive is the trend in the small yet refined, special segment of catamarans and trimarans which were given their own separate, dedicated platform in Hall 15 last year. The concept went down so well that many exhibitors have decided to extend their presentations at boot 2012, i.e. they now wish to bring their boats rather than information stands to Düsseldorf. 15 suppliers in Hall 15 will be covering all aspects of the popular multi-hull sailing.



Probably you will not find all the sailing boats there, but this will give you an idea:

boot 2012 - Sailing Boats & Yachts



Some movies from last year's edition:


Guten Tag, Düsseldorf ! - Annonce bateaux - Annonces bateaux - Occasion Bateaux - Occasion Voiliers - Occasion voiles









If you go buy the tickets on line. The tickets includes a free transport title for the city public transport service (for the day).



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