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Well, If you are like me dreaming with cruising, this photo montage (from Yacht Magazine) give you good suggestions, with very nice pictures and even if you don't understand German they show some maps. Really nice suggestions on the Liguria coast, North of Rome till Genova, in Italy. Enjoy


http://www.yacht.de/reise/audio_slid...el/a62565.html


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THEY HAVE MADE IT!!!!

New world record on the circumnavigation time:

45 days 13 hours 42 minutes 53 minutes.

Loïck Peyron and his team own the Jules Verne trophy and they were a lot faster than Jules Verne.

They have made 29 002 Nm at the incredible average speed of 26,51 K
The finish: look at that well deserved joy.

http://www.voilesetvoiliers.com/cour...arge-demotion/


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...on-record.html

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I know this is a bit out of the scope of the thread but I have been enjoying this and I want to share. Actually I think that it is a great help to study a cruising voyage on those regions and even if it is in German some will understand and even if not, they show the maps and the places so it is self explanatory (from the "Yacht" magazine:

Cyclades:

http://www.yacht.de/reise/audio_slid...en/a61139.html

Virgin Islands:

http://www.yacht.de/reise/audio_slid...ln/a67463.html

Thailand:

http://www.yacht.de/reise/audio_slid...el/a51997.html

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After the Swedestar 370 a new Swedestar 415 is coming. They are going to have the 370 on Dusseldorf and presenting the 415 project.

The Swedestar is not much of a looker, well it is very nice, well made but it don't looks a new model. It is as classic as it can be. The boat has not an open transom, only one wheel and the profile looks classic not to say some year's old. So what makes it so special that the market had given clear signs that wanted a boat like the 370 but bigger?

Well, it has Swedish quality (and price) it is more narrow than most the competition, as an huge B/D (42% on a bulbed keel) and lot's of sail. It is a very fast performance cruiser and its looks are deceiving, I mean it looks luxurious classic and slow. Well luxurious it is, slow it is not

YachtingMonthly tested the the boat in 2010:



They have give it 9 points out of 10 in performance, helm feeling, chart table and galley quality and an overall 8 point classification (out of 10) that is quite good for their standards.

They have said:

The Swedestar 370 makes an impressive début. The quality of craftsmanship is up to Swedish standards and the mahogany is beautifully finished, but she needs a few refinements to justify her place in the luxury bracket. The conventional deck layout works well and the helm feels fabulous.

I feel she's too thoroughbred for cruising. The sailplan is huge and the boat is light so, despite a decent ballast ratio, you'll be reefing in anything over a Force 3. For most of us, the cruiser-racer balance here is skewed too far towards performance.


Swedestar 370 | Single Hull Boat Reviews | Yachting Monthly | Single-Hull Boat Reviews | Yachting Monthly


This gives you an idea of what the 415 is going to be, narrow as its small sister (3.75m of beam to 12.61m over all) it will have a lot of ballast and considering that it will not be heavy with 8000kg. 92.5 m2 of sail on a narrow hull will make it a fast boat with a great interior with classic looks. If you have more than 350 000€ to give for a 41ft boat, like classic looks and fast boats, this could be an interesting one.






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A new walkabout, even lighter. If the boat is strong enough this will be a very interesting boat, the 37 Med:

Main Dimension:
Lenght Overall
11,68 m
Hull Lenght
11,00 m
Lenght at Waterline 10,80 m
Maximum Beam 4,00 m
Draught 2,15 m
Keel weight 1600kg
Light Displacement 3700 kg
Sail Plan
Sail surface 80 mq
Engine
Yanmar 22 Hp
Architect David Reard
Technical data
Keel weight / Displacement 43.3 %

A very light boat with a huge B/D ratio and a lot of sail for such a light boat (3700kg for 80m2).





They say about the boat:

A new lightweight 37-feet designed for fast and safe navigation in the Mediterranean and for offshore race.

The hull is made in a sandwich composite (multi-axial glass fabric / PVC / multi-axial glass fabric epoxy laminates) and with round bottom and a single edge.

It is possible to install 2 ballast to improve upwind performance and have a retractable keel to reduce the draft.


This is a kind of Italian Pogo, even lighter (the 37 has the same weight of the Pogo 10.50, that is a 35ft boat) with better interiors. It is not too light? I don't know, the Pogo is not made with epoxy resin, this one is and that should make this one 500/800kg lighter, but even so It seems a miracle to me.

The same boat (37) on its "Voyage" version has 4896 kg. That seems a more realistic number. 1200kg between the two versions seems too much.

This is a test sail by SoloVela (Italian Sail magazine) of the WALKABOUT 43, the bigger sister. He have already talked about this one. It has a nice interior for this kind of boat.

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Some Days ago when I was in Fumicino taking photos of that Comet 31 (that I posted recently) I meet Andrea from Comar Yachts that seeing me interested in the boat asked me if I wanted to take a look at the shipyard (Comet is made by Comar).

Well some ladies like to look at window shops, I like to look at boats and boat shipyards so I jumped into the opportunity. Comar shipyard is big and very latin, I mean nothing of the Nordic military efficiency, here they work with what seems to be a comfortable disorganization

What I found more unusual was the huge variety of boats being made: Some small one class racers, some 35fters, some big boats between 50 and 60ft and a really big 85ft, this one for the Italian navy (lucky cadets). The boats are built with great care but almost fully customized, made by hand and they make practically everything there without almost no resourcing to outside services. That explains the very good quality of their boats but also their price, that is a bit higher than mass production boats but even so not as expensive at Nordic boats.

I found out that they also use an internal steel reinforcement grid where the keel and shrouds are connected but instead of being glued to the hull it is completely stratified inside the hull. They use vacuum bagged cored hulls (with airex on the core), vinilester or epoxy resins and some boats are made completely in carbon, including the big ones.

They seem to have the ability to build anything regardless of the size or material, providing it is a composite. I guess they will end up giving up building small boats and that they will focus on really big boats like many companies that work with top quality and customize their boats. There is little profit in custom small boats and a lot more on big boats.

While they still make small boats (I have already posted about a 38ft) let's have a look at one of the most recent, the Comet 35s, a kind of First 35 with Italian flair:











They say about the boat:

From the hull to the carpentry, from the flush hatches to the steel, most of the components you will find on your COMET have been custom-made in-house. The hull and deck are made in Airex sandwich, using unidirectional and biaxial web and epoxy vinyl resin. Airex is glued to the skins in a vacuum and the reinforcements are stratified directly on the hull, without using female moulds, thereby obtaining maximum structural rigidity.

The Comet 35’s standard layout comes with 2 cabins both with comfortable double-berths, large closets and a large head. The saloon, with a large convertible couch and a second sofa in front of it, is very bright thanks to the extensive windows and four skylights. The dinette offers ample storage space, with an L shaped galley to the right of the ladder, well equipped with a large working area, in front of the chart table. The finishings are in solid and laminated American cherry wood, ensuring a modern and welcoming ambiance.

The objective of the small Comar Yacht cabin cruiser is to maintain the full range concept: modern lines, excellent seaworthiness and the top notch livability. A challenge that becomes more interesting in small sizes. The cruiser vocation of the Comet 35, becomes pure racing fun and in both instances the hull stability allows seamless boat management even with a reduced crew. By reinterpreting the sleek and well balanced lines typical of the Sports Comar range, even in the 35 we can recognize the harmony of the deck where the deck house, well integrated with the hull lines, offers excellent interior livability.


Specification:

Lenght overall 11,05 m
Hull lenght 10,65 m
Waterline lenght 9,21 m
Beam 3,64 m
Draft 2.10m
Std. Ballast 1.600 Kg
Displacement 5.500kg
Mainsail 40,00 mq
Genoa 40,00 mq
Spinnaker 93,00 mq

5500kg isn't bad for a 35ft and 80m2 is a lot of sail for the weight. The boat has a lot of form stability and those 1600kg are a on an elongated lead torpedo and both things put together make this a stiff boat. A stiff boat with lot's of sail for the weight makes a fast boat.

On the test sail from "Vela e Motore" they measured with 18K wind:

45º-6.5K....60º-7.6K....90º-8.2K....135-7.6K....150-7.1K

The interiors are of very good quality and the design is refreshing.

The boat costs a bit more than 120 000€ at the shipyard and I would say that is not too much for what is offered.

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For the ones that have a sailboat mostly to have fun racing and besides that mostly for day sail the boat, this is a great proposal at half the price and many times the sailing fun: The SeaCart 26


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Of course, that would not have the charme of a wally, but will go at the same speed or faster and the crew would have much more fun.

Talking about Wally and rich men with good taste have a look ar these animals (the boats, not the men):









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Modern boats designed with a classic look are one of the trends of today's design. Compromises are made in what regards sail performance, usualy in what concerns LWL regarding LOA but most of these modern classic looking boats are very light, have modern bulbed keels, modern spade ruder and a hulls with not much rocker.

They are intended to be fast, very pleasurable boats to sail and sailing pleasure would not be the only pleasure they would deliver: These boats that will make any owner proud. These are boats that will never look old, boats to cherish and to keep as a art work and of course as any work of art, design is of paramount importance.

Bob Perry designed recently one, a beautiful narrow 62ft and contrary of what is usual on these boats, have managed to maintain the classic flavor, without a big loss of LWL regarding the boat LOA. The hull seems very well designed and looks very neat and the ruder and keel are thoroughly modern.





The keel is particularly interesting, a steel hollow structure that will function has a diesel tank and an integrated torpedo that will not get stuck on fishing lines. The ruder is also high tech and a carbon one.

Of course a boat like this should have a carbon rig and this one will have one , the one used on the Farr 40. I hope rod is used to keep in mind with the rest.

The boat hull will be made in Cedar strip planking The hull with cedar and after sheathed in Vectorply E-TLX 2400-10 triaxial cloth. The deck would be made of composite.

Cedar strip planking give very strong and light hulls and this one will only weight about 18 000 lb. With that weight it should be a very strong hull.




The boat would have a huge sail area (978 m2) for the weigh and that with the very low drag of this boat and big LWL will make it a very fast boat and a boat that would sail well in very weak wind, I would say with any wind.

Of course with such a narrow hull and a canoe stern this boat would have to rely for stability mostly on its ballast and it has lot's of it, almost 50% of its weight and all in a lead bulb on the end of a long keel. This boat will have a lot of righting moment but will sail heeled with any consequent wind. Not a problem for me I like heel. The boat will probably heel easily to 20º and will be rock solid and very stiff after that.



This is a very interesting boat and I guess it will be on the vast Bob Perry curriculum as one to be remembered, a boat which design will never get old. That is a desire of any designer: to make a work of art that will remain as a legacy for the future and I believe that will be the case. I only hope the finish and the interior to be up with the quality of the sailboat design.

To know more about the boat:

Yacht Design According to Perry

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