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Look at this incredible sail machine!!!

As fun as a powerful dirt bike on hard sand

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New Sirius 40: The boat plans will be shown in Dusseldorf.

A Sirius 40 will have all the space needed to live aboard. As most of you know these boats have an incredible detailed interior with the best quality I know or saw in sailboats. I am sure it will be an incredible boat.

Pity that the cabin on this Marc-Oliver von Ahlen design seems just a bit too high on what otherwise I find a nice looking boat.



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This edition is particularly good since it has the best of 2011 (after the VOR). Don't miss it

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I have already posted about the fantastic circumnavigation record by Loick Peiron and his team but the movie in HD that yacht magazine has posted is so much better that it deserves to have a new look: Beautiful boat, great images.




Der Sieg der "Banque Populaire V" - Yacht TV



and since we are talking about great images of offshore trimarans I believe most of you don't know this movie that is one of my favorites: Big ocean racing trimarans flying over heavy seas!!!!. No space for error here. Look at that guy that goes to the bow. It is not practical to wear an harness on a big multihulls (too much space) and I don't think he is wearing one. Jesus you have to be mad or have a huge confidence and gigantic balls


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There is a new racer cruiser class box rule for serious racers, an all carbon fast boat, a big one with 100ft

Well, we would expect a carbon racer to have a pretty poor interior, just the needed for racing but not this one. The minimum racer-cruiser interior fit out would comprise of:

Owners en-suite cabin with queen size double.
Two guest cabins with split beds that give the option of singles or doubles.
Additional pullman berths in each of these cabins would be an option if racing offshore.
A large saloon split into a separate lounge and dining area.
Galley to port with rule minimum, 3 hob stove, oven, fridge and freezer.
Chart table with day head to starboard.

The crew area is spacious, but it can be fitted out using lighter materials and methodology than the guest areas and it comprises part of the accommodation requirements of the rule. There is one en-suite cabin with two bunks and an allowance for pipe cots if additional crew is required for cruising or if racing offshore.


This is the design program and you are already thinking, this is no race boat. Well, look at the first one:



Green Marine - Southampton - Wally Cento : 100 pieds, 100% Wally - Annonce bateaux - Annonces bateaux - Occasion Bateaux - Occasion Voiliers - Occasion voiles



And look at all this carbon interiors:












Of course, it could only be a wally, the Wally Cento the design is from judel-vrolijk and it will be made by Wally.






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I bet this boat is going to be a huge sucess









The new Pogo 30

With a LOA of 9.14 meters and a Beam with 3.70 meters the Pogo will be a class A boat (offshore) and can have have a fixed keel or a swinging keel.

It should have plenty space inside and it will be fast as all the Pogos.

It will cost around 80,000 euros - not including shipping and sails.

from Pogo Structures on Vimeo.


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This is a great movie about the Volvo Ocean Race: Great images, the first 40 years



And this is this year's edition with the Abu Dhabi in port race:


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yachting World magazine is presenting a serie of movies about advancing sailing techniques. The first one is about Chinese gybe:


New Advanced Sailing Techniques series with Pip Hare | Yacht News | Yachting World
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Some guys have said that they had learned something on this thread about boats. I am happy and proud with that.

Regarding that shared knowledge I have posted a generic post on another thread that I think can contribute to those global better view of cruising sailboats and I will post it here too:

Any sailing boat is also a sports machine unless you chose not to use it like that and stay in port when you can have fun with the boat.

Sailboats are slow if you compare them with a car and a car is slow if compared with an airplane but the sensations you can get on a sailboat are not with accordance with that slowness, the same way you can have much more vivid sensations in a car comparing with an airplane that is way faster.

Between sailboats a 1K difference is a lot and you can say that is nothing but that is not what is more important between a performance cruiser and a modern cruiser sailboat it is the sensation and precision you have at the wheel.

The sensation you got at the wheel of a light sports car has nothing to do with the sensation you have at the wheel of a modern turbo diesel sedan even if the two can go at the same speed in the straight line (and on the boats the performance one will be faster). While on the sports cars you put the car exactly where you want it with a minimum effort, on the Diesel sedan, is more or less. Of course, all that precision calls for an experienced driver to take advantage of it.

That's about the difference you have in what regards steering between a modern cruiser and a good performance cruiser. Now that the boats have a two wheel set up the differences are even more noticeable. The two wheel set up takes sensibility to the wheel and to compensate that there is needed a top ruder system, not only stronger but with a very low friction.

When you go out downwind at 10k (I hope it would be more in my next boat) with 25/30K wind surfing two meter waves that come slightly sideways you have about the same sensation at the wheel as when going fast on a twisting dirt road with a powerful car or bike: You have to have the wheel in constant motion to control the slides, you know, just like in a car, before it happens you have to compensate and before the slide finishes you have to have the wheel strait again.

The sensation you have in a boat on these conditions are not very different from the ones you have in a car going fast with the additional pleasure of controlling 8T with the tip of your fingers. I guess you will understand by this the importance of having a very sensitive steering.

The difference between a more sportive boat and a heavy boat here can be very important: While on this conditions a lighter sportive boat maintains a very light steering a heavy cruising boat can be hard on the wheel and what is a pleasure on a fast boat can turn up in a muscular tiring effort on a heavy boat, not to mention the much bigger control a sensitive wheel gives.

And if you think this are not very frequent conditions, well in what regards coastal cruising they are not but in what regards crossing oceans in the trade winds they are.

Another similarity I found is with my old racing dirt bike, I mean when you are powering upwind full sails on 18/20K wind. My boat could go at 7K sometimes jumping 3m waves crashing down and most of the time just breaking them, water flowing all around, in a very powerful and bumpy ride. The power that the boat is making on these conditions is huge and you can feel it at the wheel. Lots of work with the wheel to prevent the boat to slam and not to lose speed, keeping that power and speed up.

After some hours of this I was always amazed to find an intact interior. It is just wonderful that a cruising boat can take this kind of punishment without the interior coming apart.

A good cruising sailing boat is two things, a caravan and a sports machine. There are ones that are more a caravan others that are more a sports machine. For some sailors the sportive part is completely irrelevant, they only want a sea caravan, others only wanted fast cruising boats for racing.

For the ones that like sports and want also a sea caravan for the family the trick is too chose the right combination between interior space and sailing performance and regarding this you can be sure of one thing: The boat that you will see at the boat show with the bigger and nicer interior will not be the best sailing boat, specially in what concerns the space on the front cabin.



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