Is it fair to say that the term "deck saloon" has been misused by brands such as Jeanneau and Hunter? The latest Jeanneau is just a big eyebrow, and same hull? To me, d.s. and pilothouses have the design characteristic of being able to stand (galleys) or even sit (dinettes, nav stations) looking above deck and forward. Some examples of TRUE DSs in RMs, Sirius & Moody. I don't know what to properly call this new generation of well-skylit boats that call themselves deck saloons. Oyster has done an authentic, fluid and fabulous line design with this deck saloon "hybrid" I'm calling. Paulo starts to address the subject in the Southerly post above. Gunfleet seems to suffer the same issue. The question remains, where do deck saloons cease to be in these interesting sailboats? Is it a misuse of the term? Are we going to allow the charter industry redefine these? What should they be called? With more and more hull portlights, which I like best, I think some boats do a great job of bringing the horizon in (which I think is the goal in many cases). Limit the steps from cockpit to saloon to define?
Finally, just a quick BIG thanks and congratulations to Paulo for having this thread. I do not post much, but it is a blog in its own to me, and I look forward to it EVERY day. I'm an architect by training and just love to see and learn where marine technology and consumer trends are taking boat design. One day, maybe, print it and turn it into a book! I know the names of some collaborators to that book here as well.
Thanks to all and please keep it up!
Dorado, Puerto Rico
I think you are right. There are few true deck saloons on the market and none not expensive or among the mass production boats. Hanse had one some years back as well as Dehler but they were not a commercial success and they stop making them.
They also call them raised deck saloons but I guess that what is raised is the ceiling
In most of them it has nothing to do with having a great view but with more interior space and light, less an interior of a boat, as they used to be and more like a modern apartment full of light. However a modern tendency on those boats is having also big port hulls that gave a good view and if you are near hills or if the coast line is not completely flat, those big superior "windows" will provide a view anyway and a good one if you are standing.
I like boats that have boat interiors
but these interiors make a lot of sense for people that pass more time on anchor or at the marina than sailing (and they are the majority) and use many times the boat as an apartment. Understandably, in a boat that is used much more as a second house than as a sailing boat, they would prefer a more airy and house type interior.
The new Oyster 625 (nominated for European boat of the year on the Luxury cruiser class) is a good example of a boat with one of those interiors, I mean it is a very good one. The boat is not particularly good looking on the outside, but that interior is just sweet, for the ones that want an house/boat and have the money for it. As you can see those huge port hulls are almost the size of small windows and will provide a good view while the raising ceiling and the almost zenithal lighting will provide a "big" airy interior,
But regarding the RM, to be precise, they are not deck saloons but pilot house boats.
I mean they provide an outside view but not to the ones on the saloon. The outside view is for the one in the chart table. The the idea is not only to provide a luminous and airy saloon but also the possibility to sail the boat (with the help of a joystick) from the chart table.