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Paulo, what's your opinion on the southerly 42RST? Seems like a relatively fast & comfortable cruiser. I've noticed they're starting to use node wiring as well. Seems like a great idea.
The Southerly 42 RST is the boat my wife would like to have. She does not sail actively but with many thousands of hours cruising, after testing with me lots of different sailboats and coming to many boat shows, she is not properly ignorant about boat design and she knows very well why she likes that boat. Of course it was not very difficult to explain to her that we cannot have that one. The boat is expensive, too expensive for us, too slow for me, but I really like a very fast boat, the same way I like a fast car.

The boat is very seaworthy, reasonably fast, very well built, with a great interior and great views to the exterior. The outside volume and shape is not too penalized by the height of the cabin and has that big bonus of having an insignificant draft.

That's why I was not very enthusiastic about the new Southerly 420 (post 2112) that I fear would replace this one. The new 420 is precisely that kind of raised ceiling saloon (also called with no much logic decksaloon) and not a true decksaloon like the Southerly 42 RST.

I only find the 42 RST a bit too heavy on the transom, I mean visually. With a beam brought more aft, a more clean design on the stern and eventually a redesign in interior style, the 42 could still have a long live ahead as a very modern and well designed boat. Actually I think that except in what concerns the interior (that is a different option and not comparable), the 420 is uglier than the 42 RST.















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Funny that you posted a pic of S/V Distant Shores. I happened upon their blog snd read it from start to finish. They went from the 42 to the 49. I REALLY like the idea of a swing keel and the freedom it offers to get closer to shore. Not to mention how it's designed to beach. Very expensive but nice to dream about a circumnavigation in one. As for speed it seems to do quite well against similar boats......

I guess what I'm saying is......your wife has great taste!

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Funny that you posted a pic of S/V Distant Shores. I happened upon their blog snd read it from start to finish. They went from the 42 to the 49. I REALLY like the idea of a swing keel and the freedom it offers to get closer to shore. Not to mention how it's designed to beach. Very expensive but nice to dream about a circumnavigation in one. As for speed it seems to do quite well against similar boats......

I guess what I'm saying is......your wife has great taste!

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When I am talking about "too slow for me" it is not on the video conditions, but with very light wind or with a lot of wind downwind. To go well I guess the Southerly will need at least 8K wind. I want a boat that can sail without almost no wind, I mean 4K wind and that can go well with 6K.

Downwind I want a boat that can plane with winds over 20K and that can go easily on 2 digit speeds. I know it is a lot for a cruising boat, but that is just what I want: I want not only a good sailboat but also a sportive sailboat. Besides cruising I would like to have a fast boat, a boat that can give a lot of fun sailing. I like sailing as much as I like cruising.

Yes, I don't doubt about my wife's good taste, after all she married me. In what regards boats I am lucky: If it is nothing very much naked as a Pogo, would not have a keel with more than 2.40 (even if everything with more than 2.00 m makes her protest) if the boat as an acceptable galley, a decent storage and it is a seaworthy boat, she would tolerate the rest just to make me happy.

She just loved the Grand Soleil 39 and would be happy with it. I love the boat too even if I would prefer the XP 38 that has a surprisingly nice interior (small but nice) with a good storage and a decent galley.

The Xp 38 has also passed my wife examination with flying colors. Not very big but with a very nice ambiance (you cannot see that on the movies or photos) and enough storage. So that would be the one if I had not any financial limitations. On that one I would not even had to put more weight on the keel, as on the almost affordable (for me) Salona 38, to make it a better offshore boat. As it is the boat is already a great offshore boat.

So, since we are talking about the XP 38 that I said here (before being inside the boat) that it seemed to have a very stark and small interior, a new video with the interior, by Solovela (and some others). The interior is not big (because the boat has 3 cabins) but is much more cozy than what it appears on the movies and photos. You can feel the quality of it.




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http://tv.yacht.de/video/Schn%25C3%2...f44f4fc8b8ce14











I don't have plans to circumnavigate but I agree that the Southerly 42 RST makes a lot of sense as a boat to circumnavigate. I didn't post "Distant shores" by accident, it was a somewhat hidden message to the ones that know who is the owner of that boat (or was). It is not by accident that one of the most experienced sailing couples bought a Southerly to their circumnavigations after having for many years a slow heavy old style blue water boat.


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Of the many boats that you've brought to light here, xp is another i find very interesting. I'd have to look azt my notes but i think the Xc line captured my attention a bit more and i would probably prefer a two cabin layout. There's been so many it's hard to keep them all straight! A fast cruiser with strong singlehanded capabilities would fit me well.

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New Sirius 40: The boat plans will be shown in Dusseldorf.

A Sirius 40 will have all the space needed to live aboard. As most of you know these boats have an incredible detailed interior with the best quality I know or saw in sailboats. I am sure it will be an incredible boat.

Pity that the cabin on this Marc-Oliver von Ahlen design seems just a bit too high on what otherwise I find a nice looking boat.




Anyway on the Febuary 2012 PBO-Practical Boat Owner magazine you can see a test of the SIRIUS 310, very interesting and in my opinion gives a wide view about this brand.

They mentioned that some previous scandinavian perfomance boats are changing their minds. I mean they are considering to buy Sirius yachts.
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This Southerly 42RS in my opinion, from outside view doesn't look like a deck salon.
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Of the many boats that you've brought to light here, xp is another i find very interesting. I'd have to look azt my notes but i think the Xc line captured my attention a bit more and i would probably prefer a two cabin layout. There's been so many it's hard to keep them all straight! A fast cruiser with strong singlehanded capabilities would fit me well.

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The Xc 38 is a great offshore cruising boat, the rational choice, like a BMW. The Xp is a passion choice, also an offshore boat, but like a Porsche

The Xc has a luxurious interior, the Xp is more Zen but both got what it is needed for cruising. The XC has more tankage but in what regards diesel the Xp needs a lot less wind to sail and you can always mount an watermaker.

Here, some movies with the Xc 38:

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New boat: The OVNI evolution 52.

That's a true revolution on OVNI, the most famous bluewater French boat. The new series are still aluminum centerboarders but they have abandoned their overall conservative design to present a true modern line based with the hull based on the shape of solo Open boats, a Marc Lombard design.

Also for the first time they present the possibility of a completely closed dog house an ugly one in my opinion. But if we don't consider that this is a good looking boat that for the first time show lines that are not very far away from its more sportive cousin, the Cigale 16.

Some interesting solutions: The wheel can be on the usual place or more at the center, inside the dog house, the boat has a garage for a dinghy with 3.10m and utilizes the same interior solution as the Benetau sense, meaning that the boat has no properly aft cabins (just a very small one to sleep while sailing, I mean for an eventual skipper) and that all the space is used for the garage and storage.

The announced price is around 500 000€ and that don't seem much for an aluminium boat of this size.

A 47 footer will also be made along the same lines.
















Of course, in what regards the Cigale 16, that is just a bit longer and is also made by Alubat and designed by Marc Lombard, this boat just seems more like a Cigale than the previous OVNI but the differences between the two boats in what regards sailing are HUGE. Just to give you an idea this one weights 16 000 kg, the Cigale 16, 10 750kg. Both boats have about the same sail area (the Cigale has a bit more) and the Cigale has less 5 250kg. You can imagine the difference specially in what regards going downwind over hull speed and sailing with light winds

But if the Alubat 52 will be slow if compared with a Cigale if we compare it with the Benetau Sense 50 the story will be other: The Sense is smaller weights about the same ( less 700 kg) but has less 13 m2 of sail and that and a smaller LWL will made the Ovni faster in all points of sail except probably close upwind and of course with the possibility to avoid bad weather staying on anchor in very shallow waters.


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You mean it is well designed? I agree.

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For the ones that are interested in understanding what is the fastest boat to sail solo, I mean if you are just a good sailor and not a professional one, the Transaquadra is on again. They left Madeira to the Carib, now with all boats together.

Many boats close to the leadership that is for the moment on the solo category for a A35 and on the duo, for a Jeanneau SF 32.

The leader on solo is French but on duo it is an Italian team that is leading. That should piss a lot of French


Transquadra 2011


As we have saw on the first race, the Sun Fast 32 and the Archambault 31 (not to mention the 35) are faster with a short crew then boats with a bigger rating like several First 40,7, several Grand Soleil 40, a Confortina 42, a Sun Odyssey 49, a Sunfast 40 and a 37 Grand Soleil Race.

Nice images from a JPK 10.10 that is now in 2th place on the solo cat.


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