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Hi David,

Congratulations




The Hanse 350 is a nice boat with a performance keel and a particularly good stability. The 118AVS ORC means a boat with a very good final stability.

As you say a bit heavy, as all German boats but you can always use a geenaker on light winds.

You will not have any problem regarding draft in Croatia with a 2.0m draft boat. Last summer I sailed there with a 2.70m draft boat and I was surprised to see that this is not a problem in Croatia.

However you will only be able to stay there till next year. If you stay there you will pay a 23% Vat tax on the value of the boat. I strongly advise you to look now for and adequate place to put the boat next year because there are a lot of guys doing the same (all the guys that have the boats in Croatia with non paid VAT and they are a lot). As I was considering doing something very similar (without the shared ownership) I have studied the situation and the logical place to leave the boat next year is Turkey. But pay attention they demand boats with a black water tank. Places there are going to be very difficult to find. The best I could find was on the Turkish part of Cyprus. Nice price, very good protection and very near of the Turkish coasts.

As I have said here several times, for me the only negative aspect of the Hanses is the Ikea interior and it is not even the quality of the material, more a design fault.

Truth is that if I cannot get the boat I want, one of the boats I was considering was an almost new epoxy Hanse 430. I don't like the interior but the boat offers solidity and decent sailing for a good price.

Anyway with a shared ownership it is almost good that the interior is not a very nice one otherwise you would be appalled with the damage made by other owners.

I sailed last year 15 days on the previous version of that boat and it was already a solid and stiff boat. The family protested that our Bavaria was better, but solid any way, with some oddities.

Maybe we can drink a beer together: If the survey is alright I will buy next week a boat near Trieste, on the Adriatic coast not far from Croatia.

Where are you going to have the boat in Croatia? Probably the boat has already a place but If it is of any use to you, I have already made a search for that and the best place I could find was on the Mandalina Marina, near Sibenick (best price, nice city and the possibility of having the boat on the hard or on the water for almost the same price).

Again, Congratulations and have fun!

Regards

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Hi Paulo

Have Croatia really decided to join the EU? I understood that they had the option to join in 2013 but that most folk were betting that they wouldn't due to the crisis in Greece, Portugal, Italy, Spain etc etc. Even if they do decide to join the EU, then would it not be likely that they would phase the VAT in as Crete did some time ago at 6%? Anyway we will be faced with an interesting decision - I came very close to doing a deal on a yacht in Gocek, Turkey which was where I originally wanted to go. So maybe I'll be heading there sooner rather than later By the way, the H350 has a black water tank, even if it is a bit small -50litres.

The boat is currently lying in Marina Dalmaciya in Sukosan, Zadar but we will be sailing the boat to its new marina in March which will be on the island of Brac at the marina in Milna. A really nice town on the island which is connected to Split by many ferries and which is really good value - you have probably been there - I was there last year. It is also a good central location for heading North or South to explore Croatia.

Good luck on your trip for your next boat. It would be great to meet up with you - as you say Trieste is not far away.

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Have Croatia really decided to join the EU? I understood that they had the option to join in 2013 but that most folk were betting that they wouldn't due to the crisis in Greece, Portugal, Italy, Spain etc etc. Even if they do decide to join the EU, then would it not be likely that they would phase the VAT in as Crete did some time ago at 6%? Anyway we will be faced with an interesting decision - I came very close to doing a deal on a yacht in Gocek, Turkey which was where I originally wanted to go. So maybe I'll be heading there sooner rather than later By the way, the H350 has a black water tank, even if it is a bit small -50litres.

The boat is currently lying in Marina Dalmaciya in Sukosan, Zadar but we will be sailing the boat to its new marina in March which will be on the island of Brac at the marina in Milna. A really nice town on the island which is connected to Split by many ferries and which is really good value - you have probably been there - I was there last year. It is also a good central location for heading North or South to explore Croatia.

Good luck on your trip for your next boat. It would be great to meet up with you - as you say Trieste is not far away.

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You have all information here:

Croatia EU Accession VAT - Information Pool - Yachting and Boating World Forums

Yes I know Milna Marina. I have chose Mandalina Marina over Milna because in Milna they have not many places out of the water and it is expensive to have boats ou of the water there. On Mandalina marina you can have the boat in the water or out of water on the same contract and you only pay more 10% if the boat is out of water.

I prefer to have the boat out of the water in the winter not only because the wind can be quite nasty there but also to dry up the boat.

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Well, there is more boats on that race,I will give you some clews:

1- Ir is not the Alfa-Romeo
2- It is a 40ft boat (a bit bigger)
3- It is a 2007 boat
4- The boat is still in production
5- It is a relatively fast boat
6- It has a good cruising interior

Let's see who is going to hit the nail first
There was only a Maxi, Swan and Comet Class in the Rolex Capri Sailing Week 2008 so it must be a Comet 41S or a Swan 42. Since the Swan 42 doesn't have a good cruising interior it is a Comet 41S, right? Wow, what a great boat.

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There was only a Maxi, Swan and Comet Class in the Rolex Capri Sailing Week 2008 so it must be a Comet 41S or a Swan 42. Since the Swan 42 doesn't have a good cruising interior it is a Comet 41S, right? Wow, what a great boat.

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Now that is an impressive first post!

Welcome to the thread and to sailnet.

Yes you are right, it is a Comet 41s.







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Look at this Bongo 9,60 arriving 4th on the Transaquadra. Very nice boat. The Bongo is the mono Keel version of the more known Olea, that is a fast twin keel. I have posted here already about the Olea.

http://www.oleacomposite.com/#


296 Suleika. Maurizzi Sastre. Bongo. 13h53'19" por overlapprod

And look at this couple arriving on a SF 3200. They seem they are just coming back of a day on a nice anchorage. Great style.


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Now that is an impressive first post!

Welcome to the thread and to sailnet.

Yes you are right, it is a Comet 41s.
Very impressive indeed, Philipp!

I perfectly recognise Paulo in the Comet 41S. A seaworthy design with sleek lines, high quality design, excellent upwind performance and a classic interior.

This one looks very well maintained so you will not need to spend the next few years sanding and varnishing all that woodwork, Paulo .

Crossing fingers for a perfect survey so we can congratulate you very soon!

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From Voiles & Voiliers: we know the French especially like the light and beamy “open” designs, but these get terrible IRC ratings so they are quite useless for handicap racing.
Marsaudon Composites in Lorient decided they wanted to do something about it and recently launched their first MC 34 Patton, named after the associated watchmaker, optimized for IRC.

Have a look at the basic figures:
10.50m (9.15 waterline) x 3.46m x 1.99m
3650 kg (1.900 kg ballast, > 50%!)
67m2 upwind

Estimated TCC is between 1.055 and 1.058

It has an inverted deck line to save weight in the extremities and create a little more headroom below decks without raising the roof too much. But no bulb in the leaded keel and only one pair of spreaders on the carbon mast to reduce the rating.
The hull is composite with glass reinforced infused vinylester and thermoformed foam, painted without a formal gelcoat layer.

At first glance the interior looks quite comfortable for a boat with definite racing ambitions, although the small, centered chart table looks very racy but quite useless.

Add a carbon mast and boom and this light boat will lift you about € 215.000, I presume without sails . But then you also get an personalized Patton clock and watch .

Light but well ballasted and with a sharply chined, beamy hull, this looks like a very powerful design. Wait and see what it will do around the buoys, especially when the prices are handed out .

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Hi Paulo!
I read your post about buying new or old and the VAT issue.
Thinking about buying a new one or a use one - what do you think about buying the number 1 of a new model from a boat yard with a very good reputation (eg X-Yachts, Pogo or so)? One might get attractive discounts in such a case in the range of VAT. This is because not everybody likes to buy a boat nobody could ever test before (not even see it) and usually the number 1 is needed for some marketing tasks within the first months.
If you dont care so much about that it could be a good deal.
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Ulf,
I think if you live close to the yard, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But if you live in the US and the yard is in Croatia, it may be a while before you get a handle on all the baby illnesses, that are going to show up no matter how good the reputation of the yard is. Also, builders usually use hull#1 as a demo at the yard, and then sell it at a good discount after a few years.
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Congratulations to your new boat, Paulo!

For the purchase of a No1 I now remember that Fora offered such a discount even for the first 3 RM1260.

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