Interesting Sailboats

[PCP]

Originally Posted by bljones

The Seezunge C is a beautiful catboat. Check out the bar!

Seezunge C | VA Yachtdesign

You will find also some very beautiful and fast classic cruisers. Marc-Olivier seems to be a very versatile boat architect.

But regarding the Catboat, yes it is beautiful, it has a very open and nice interior but where the hell is the head?

[PCP]

Originally Posted by bljones

What is the price point, pcp?

I only have the 35ft price. Basic boat costs around 223 000 without VAT.

[imagine2frolic]

Are you familiar with the Schmidt Boatyard in Germany?.........i2f

[JimMcGee]

Paulo, You're right I was looking at the 32. I was really taken with the boat. It's not much larger than my 30 but it's a completely different design approach. Jim

[PCP]

Originally Posted by imagine2frolic

Are you familiar with the Schmidt Boatyard in Germany?.........i2f

You mean this Schmidt Boatyard:

YouTube - Made in Germany | Boatbuilder Michael Schmidt

Eight years ago I went to the Hamburg boat show to buy a Hanse (34ft). It turns out that the front cabin was too small for my size and I ended up with a Bavaria 36. The guys from Bavaria proposed me a far better deal.

The Hanse are good boats. I would rate them for instance over Beneteau and under Dehler in what regards boat quality (by the way, they have bought Dehler).

They have a very good boat forum, supported by the manufacturer. We know that all boats have issues, but they have the courage to bring it all to the open. This permits the manufacturer to have a better understanding of what is wrong and what they need to change. They have a good after sales service and generally clients are satisfied and proud of their boats.

myHanse - Hanse Yachts Owners Forum

It's a medium size manufacturer that is increasing in size and becoming a big one. But their boats are not in the same league as Sirius boats, not in quality, not in price.

Regards

Paulo

[imagine2frolic]

I don't know if that's him, but my boat was partially built in the Schmidt Yard in Berlin. It is cold molded, and launched in 98..........i2f

[PCP]

Originally Posted by JimMcGee

Paulo, You're right I was looking at the 32. I was really taken with the boat. It's not much larger than my 30 but it's a completely different design approach. Jim

Jim, this is the 31ft, the one that is going to substitute the 32. I believe that the interiors will be very similar but the hull is much more modern (and faster) and the outside design is much more elegant. They are building the first one.

On the last "Voile" (French) Magazine there is a small insert about the boat.
They call it "Le roi du salon de pont"- The king of the deck salons. A small king, but nevertheless, a king

It will cost around 130 000 euros (without VAT)







Regards

Paulo

[PCP]

Last post about Sirius Yachts:

I will finish with some nice renderings of the 35. It is really a good looking boat. you have a lot of information about this one (and more pictures) at the post nº 10 of this thread.







The next boat in this thread, unless someone wants to post another one, will be quite the opposite to SIRIUS.

A small and very inexpensive daysailer and basic mini-cruiser. It is a very old and a very new boat

It was once a huge sucess in Europe...and it will be again. In two months they have sold more than 50. You buy it through the internet, it is a 18ft sailingboat and it costs 10 000 euros, about half the price of other similar sized boat.

Do you want to guess?

Regards

Paulo

[petmac]

Originally Posted by PCP

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don’t advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn’t know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let’s see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.


The first one it will be the “Sirius”. I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won’t believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo

Nice boat.

[PCP]

It seems that nobody is interested in a 10 000 euros 18ft basic cruiser made by one of the most reputable European boat builders, so I am going to change subject, I mean, boat.

I would like to talk about some interesting and fast marginal cruising boats that are being a success in Europe. Not big, because the market they are pointing to is not a big one, but big enough to have them built in a production line. Pogo, in one year have sold 40 of their new 10.5 and Wauquiez have discontinued the production of their 40ft cruiser-racer and are manufacturing one of these.

Normally around here, when you talk of a fast cruiser, you are talking of a cruiser-racer, boats with a relatively good (or even very good) interior, made for fast cruising and for club racing, with a crew and most of them optimized for IRC racing. Boats like First, Performance line by Dufour, Performance line by Elan, Dehler, X-yacht, Arcona, Finngulf are just some examples. These boats are better sailing boats, adapted to cruising, more seaworthy and more expensive than their pure cruising siblings.

But the boats that I am talking about have little in common with these boats, First they are not designed taking into account any rule, except the design rules to make them faster and safer, second they are not aiming at crews, but at the solo sailor and third they have not luxury interiors, but solid, light and functional interiors, I would say very basic interiors. They make the sailing part of cruising the principal object of their design.

They are the opposite of modern mass production boats. While for the typical mass production cruiser, living at the marina is one of the principal design directives, on these ones, sailing is what matters, and having pleasure while doing it, the objective . These babies are made to go fast and away, out on the bluewater and can outperform any of the cruiser-racers that I have referred to….I mean a 35ft of these can outperform any 40ft of those .

As you can suspect, I am a big fan, but unfortunately, even produced in small series these boats are expensive. They are made with the best materials, hi-tech everywhere except on the furniture and, as I have said on another thread, a very good and well built sailing boat with a basic interior will be much more expensive than a basic sailboat with a good interior and I would add, unfortunately .

Let us talk about the Pogo 10,5. I will post some photos and the link….and if you are interested, just ask and I can probably add some more information. If you like it, please post some feedback.

Pogo 10,50 - Presentation (technical specifications, drawings, etc.)
Groupe Finot, Architectes navals
YouTube - pogo 10.50 cocody
YouTube - POGO 10.50 - MATHEOPHOTO





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Regards

Paulo