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Congrats on the new boat and I hope your surgery all went well.
I like what I see though I've never been a big fan of straight through galleys. Other than she looks the goods and lets face all is to some degree a compromise.
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Yes, I would have preferred a "classical" galley instead of a modern one even if my wife disagrees because this way the galley is much bigger. I bet that the ladies have been prevalent in what regards this set-up that is very common today.

I would have to study a way to have support while cocking on the wrong tack. Maybe a discrete removable dyneema cable all along the galley.

Regarding the surgery, I have been operated to both ears and besides being
provisionally deaf as a door, all is well.

Yes, if you don't have the money to really buy what you want you have to compromise and in my case I have preferred to compromise on that than on a more older type of hull and a less performance boat.

The really important thing in what regards the interior was a cozy and nice one with good storage and a good galley. This boat meets those two requirements and the galley if provided with adequate supports for an harness (a waist one) would not be a problem. Fact is that I miss more a good hull port view....but as you say, compromises.

Anyway regarding compromises, I know this is a 5 year old boat but it is also a boat with a better overall quality than a Salona or a Dufour and a much more expensive boat, one that I could not dream to afford new, not even the smaller Comet 38 and the truth is that I always have liked this boat. I guess that I could only afford it because Italy is in a crisis and the boat market is going down as well as prices and that means a big difference between asking prices and selling prices, for the ones that really want to sell the boats.

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So finally a post about the Comet 41s. It don't look nice that I have chosen a boat that has not been posted on this thread.

The truth is that I have posted about the Comet 38 that is a kind of little sister but have not posted about the 41s because it is an older boat, that even if it is still in production, is a 2006 model.

But as I have said, always liked the boat and have even bought the test sail from my favorite magazine, the "Yacht" magazine and they have said nice things about the boat. I hope they don't mind that I show the opening page of that test sail : "Bella figura" they have said






They had light winds on that test and measured with 6K wind:

43-5.1K.....60-6.1k.....90-6.4K

"Giornalle dela Vela" also tested the Comet 41s and with 15k wind they got:

40-7.2K.....90-8.4K.....130-9.7K

So, no doubt about that, this is a fast boat that goes well in light wind and not bad in stronger wind starting to plan not far from 15k wind.

There are two versions of the boat, a more cruising orientated (the one that was tested on both magazines), that has a cored hull with e glass, airex as core and vinilester resins and a true racing version with carbon mast and boom with epoxy hull.

The first one weights 8.0T with a draft of 2.2m and a ballast of 2690kg, the second one 6.9T, with a draft of 2.5m and a ballast of 2500kg. The boat has 12.46m LOA, 10.90 LWL and 3.92 beam. A stiff boat with a good B/D ratio considering that it is a bulbed keel.

The keel is all lead but with an interior steel structure that permits it to be relatively fin. To my surprise I have learned and saw on the Comet shipyard that the keel is connected to a steel structure that is completely laminated to the boat and remain invisible. They where among the first that used a steel grid (before Grand Soleil) but they chose not to advertise it and that in my opinion makes no sense.

The performance cruising version:









The racing version:








"Yacht" Magazine said (translated):

"The designers from Studio Vallicelli have based the boat design on typical IMS racing yachts. This benefits not only the speed. It looks great too. But the smallest member of the Comar shipyard will make not only a good figure on the race track:
Also cruising, the crew will feel good on the 41mm Comet ...especially in the interior where they will likely feel as comfortable as at home. In the salon and the cabins almost nothing is unmistakably focused on a sailing performance concept, quite the contrary. Almost it seems you are on a Scandinavian series production boat, so fundamentally sound is the interior. Only the available space is somewhat scarcer than a pure cruising yachts of comparable length".


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The most amazing thing in the boat, considering the size is a dedicated sail locker, just aft from the anchor locker, with access from the outside and space for two sails, the worse and the only shortcoming of the boat is the lack of hand holds, on the interior and on the outside, but that would not be difficult to solve and I will do that with the guys from the factory next winter.

There is another thing that I like on that boat: it has a lot of rocker for a modern hull. That will give it an easy motion in waves, minimazing slamming and giving it a more comfortable sea motion.

Comar says about the boat:

"The biggest challenge: keeping the same appeal of its big brothers, the 51 and the 45 S, in just twelve meters. For this the firm has spent many hours creating numerous models in 1:10 scale, to find the right BALANCE in the relationship between the hull and deckhouse...

The characteristics are typical of the Sport Comar line : easy forms and performance with minimum drag....The boat is characterized by fine bow sections shaped to develop the maximum buoyancy and facilitate the wave transition... Fast and responsive, the Comet 41s is docile to the helm and precise in the reactions due to an accurate centering and high efficiency of the rudder."


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And some photos of the one that is going to be my boat...in June:













Funny thing is that the owner give a Portuguese name to his boat: "Alma", a nice name that means "Soul" in English (in Italian is "Anima"). I am going to keep it

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From Voiles & Voiliers: we know the French especially like the light and beamy “open” designs, but these get terrible IRC ratings so they are quite useless for handicap racing.
Marsaudon Composites in Lorient decided they wanted to do something about it and recently launched their first MC 34 Patton, named after the associated watchmaker, optimized for IRC.

Have a look at the basic figures:
10.50m (9.15 waterline) x 3.46m x 1.99m
3650 kg (1.900 kg ballast, > 50%!)
67m2 upwind

Estimated TCC is between 1.055 and 1.058

It has an inverted deck line to save weight in the extremities and create a little more headroom below decks without raising the roof too much. But no bulb in the leaded keel and only one pair of spreaders on the carbon mast to reduce the rating.
The hull is composite with glass reinforced infused vinylester and thermoformed foam, painted without a formal gelcoat layer.

At first glance the interior looks quite comfortable for a boat with definite racing ambitions, although the small, centered chart table looks very racy but quite useless.

Add a carbon mast and boom and this light boat will lift you about € 215.000, I presume without sails . But then you also get an personalized Patton clock and watch .

Light but well ballasted and with a sharply chined, beamy hull, this looks like a very powerful design. Wait and see what it will do around the buoys, especially when the prices are handed out .

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Yes, that seems to be a great boat with a big potential. Funny that don't seem a Marc Lombard boat, I mean with all that ballast and relatively narrow. It seems that Ker is influencing European designers...no wonder with all those victories.

It is a pity all that grey, it seems a bit like a war machine to me. I like racing colors









It is expensive but I guess you cannot make this type of boat otherwise: It has to be light and very strong to be able to resist to the forces that huge ballast on a long keel will transmit to the hull, I mean huge RM. You cannot make it very light and very strong without making it very expensive



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Paulo,

Congrats. Looks awesome. Funny, I was about to suggest to keep the name and you are! You can always add a "C", and it's CALMA! "Sexy Beast" could also fit it well! Celebrate, Hans.
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Hi Paulo

Your new boat looks awesome. Although the trend is for twin helms these days, I really like the look of the oversized performance helm on your boat. Also it seems that you are not going to have any problems as regards ventilation - there are enough hatches to be sure. I love the look of the interior - the detailing is obvious and the quality shines through. Why are the companionway stairs so steep though? Is this a parking position or a permanent set-up?

I was going to ask you if you were changing the name - some folk are quite superstitious about that - myself not included.

Anyway, I am sure you can't wait to run with the white horses soonest.

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Congrats. Looks awesome. Funny, I was about to suggest to keep the name and you are! You can always add a "C", and it's CALMA! "Sexy Beast" could also fit it well! Celebrate, Hans.
CALMA. very funny Hans and also a nice name for a fast boat.

It seems that you know some Portuguese For the ones that don't understood the joke Calma means in Portuguese: Easy/Slow down.

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Hi Paulo

Your new boat looks awesome. Although the trend is for twin helms these days, I really like the look of the oversized performance helm on your boat. Also it seems that you are not going to have any problems as regards ventilation - there are enough hatches to be sure. I love the look of the interior - the detailing is obvious and the quality shines through. Why are the companionway stairs so steep though? Is this a parking position or a permanent set-up?

I was going to ask you if you were changing the name - some folk are quite superstitious about that - myself not included.

Anyway, I am sure you can't wait to run with the white horses soonest.

David
Yes you are right, the companionway stairs are a bit steep. I guess it is an Italian thing because the ones from the Grand Soleil 39 is not better. We will manage with that.

Yes, the boat is not a model in what regards ventilation but it has enough hatches to be functional.

Some more photos. They were not made by me and they are a bit on the low quality side.

By the way that wheel is a curious one: An aluminium one















Back in 2007 the 41s was the smallest Comet. Mostly they were making 45/50fts. This is the big brother





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What an wonderful new: Hatairos, the big classical flavored yacht took line honors on the Caribbean 600 beating all racing boats, including the big and powerful 90ft Rambler. The big cruising ketch, designed by Reichel / Pugh and Dykstra won by almost two hours.

Hatairos Navigator Marc Lagesse: "I must say I am very surprised that we were the first at the finish. On Line Honors, I would not have believed before the start, as the ship and sailing are not optimal for this course.."

Well, I cannot wait to be what the boat can do on an optimal course

They averaged 22k speed.

Isn't it a beauty, I mean a fast beauty:









On compensated won another beautiful one, this time a race one that normally beats bigger boats, and has won already many races, Ran the Judel/Vrolijk designed 72ft. Look at it, on another race:




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Wow! Amazing boat Pualo!!

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