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Not quite sure what point you are trying to make about the draft, but it sounds exactly the same as what I posted.
You have said "shoal draft of 8'8" (deep draft 9'10")"

If you look at the boat specifications:

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You will see that 9.68ft is the deep draft but that 8.69ft (8'8") is not the shoal draft but the standard draft. Here normally racer/cruisers are offered in three versions, a deep draft, normally used by the ones that race the boat, a standard draft, used by the ones that don't have a particular problem in their cruising areas and a shoal draft, for the ones that want the minimum draft.

What I have said is that they had advertised the standard and deep draft, but not yet the shoal draft. Clear now

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Also, you may want to reconsider your broad use of the word "ugly". Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and finding two sailors agreeing on the aesthetics of a particular vessel will be hard, just as finding two guys agreeing on the looks of a girl. You would never call the other guys wife ugly, just because she doesn't fit your mold, would you?
Well, then again, maybe you would.....
Well, I would politely pretend to agree with you if it was your boat, but as an Art teacher I cannot agree with you. Certainly beauty can be served in many shapes and styles and most will be able to appreciate only one kind but that is not my case, by profession. Even if there is some latitude in what regards to appreciate beauty, beauty is not a relative thing otherwise we could not differentiated ugliness from beauty. And it is not also a personal thing because we can agree in what is a beautiful women, a beautiful boat or a beautiful scenery.

Regarding the old fashioned Halberg Rassy transom, compare it with the one of its main rival, the boat that in my opinion influenced the direction of Halberg-Rassy traditional design and for the better.









I am talking about a badly designed butand there is no other way of saying that, or maybe:
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Back to that Open 60, Acciona, it is a very interesting boat. I guess that if that boat makes it till the final of the Vendee Globe, it will be a winner, at least for me.

And it will be a winner because that boat is the future and the way all Vendee Globe and ocean racers should be: Completely auto-sufficient.

That will develop technology that all of us can use in our cruising boats.

Do you imagine the energy needs of one of these babies for many months? Complicated electronic, big plotter, or better, navigation computer, satellite communication...and big canting keel?

The main energy providers are two hydro-generators (400W each at 15K speed) more two wind generators good for 350w each at 20K wind and 12m2 of solar panels. The energy is stored in lithium 48v batteries.

Chapeau and the best luck for its Spanish skipper Javier Sansó.

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This time the Victory is not escaping to the French from Groupama and they are going to finish in style at full blast. The race till now dominated by the Spanish will become Hot, with the French in hot pursuit.

For second place on the leg, the Australian/Americans from Puma were caught and overtaken by the Spanish from Telefonica but the fight remains hot, really hot, with 700Nm to go 30Nm separates the two boats.

Finally an interesting race

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This will give the boat almost the capabilities of a motor-sailor.
Hi ken,

Do you mean the autonomy on a light sailboat equipped like that Open60?

In fact it gives a lot more autonomy because a motorsailor will always be using a lot of fuel even to motorsail and never mind how big the tankage, it will always come to an end, not to mention the price of fuel.

The real revolution was developed for the Open 60 and is now at the service of cruisers. It is a hydrogenerator, very light, very simple and that produces a lot of power with little drag. In a cruising boat going at 7K it will produce 500W and 500w all the time. It is a perfect tool for having energy while on passage.

Unfortunately it does not solve the problem while you are at anchor. I guess the better solution to solve both problems will be a big solar shade and this baby. That way I guess most problems will be solved while sailing and at anchor...except on rainy days, were you would have to run the engine.

It is not cheap but if you sail a lot it will worth it.

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Plenty of places where you don't have any problems with draft. It is the other way around, there are some places where you have problems with draft


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Paolo,
The above quote was what I was referring to. Still sounds exactly what I posted.... with "choosing your cruising grounds carefully". Are you just disagreeing to disagree even though you agree????
I did understand however, that that you as an art teacher are ultimately more capable to judge the aesthetics of a boat than anyone else. Got it!!
Now back to the previously scheduled program...
Here is a Daysailer from Southerly with their signature variable draft keel.

Speadwave 32

Not sure what a "speadwave" is....
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I did understand however, that that you as an art teacher are ultimately more capable to judge the aesthetics of a boat than anyone else. Got it!!
No, I wanted to say what I have said, that contrary of what you were telling beauty is not an arbitrary concept even if it carries some relativity; and yes, there are people that are more educated than others in appreciating and creating beauty, after all they were trained and educated for that and their professional work is to create beauty for the community, I mean designers, architects and many other professions. And no, I don't rate myself high among that community, so no, I don't judge myself " ultimately more capable to judge the aesthetics of a boat than anyone else".

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Now back to the previously scheduled program...
Here is a Daysailer from Southerly with their signature variable draft keel.

Speadwave 32

Not sure what a "speadwave" is....
That boat was presented by Southerly some years back and I guess it did not rise much interest, even if it looks like a nice boat to me. I believe they never made one, at least I never saw photos or tests of one and they surely would post photos of a finished boat if they had one.

The boat does not appear anymore on the Northshore page and I think they have abandoned the project:

Southerly

I guess the concept of a relatively big, mostly open daysailer has not much appeal for the British : It rains too much

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On the VOR 70 while only an accident can take the victory of this leg to Grupama, big fight for second with Puma winning miles over Telefonica. The boats are only separated by 12Nm with 560 to go.

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And from Australia some funny comments about the unfairness of rating old slow boats with big handicaps and make them race winners


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Incredible racing on the VOR 70!!!!!!

Groupama is almost at the finish, Puma that is fighting hard with Telefonica has managed to overtake the Spanish boat (they are very close).....but Camper, coming from behind, on a different heading, is making and incredible come back: He passed both boats, Telefonica and Puma and is now 2th

Those three will only finish fighting on the finishing line...Hot!!!

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From professional racing to amateur sail racing: The Saint Maarten Heineken Regatta. On this one all can race, lots of charter boats too and not particularly fast. What matters is having fun and these guys seem to be having a lot of fun.












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