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Nice. I like that new style of deck structure with the big cats eye portlights- good to see the "running shoe" look die out finally. I would be willing to give up a couple of feet of waterline to get some bow overhang though - I think it would vastly improve the boats looks.

The interiors are a bit IKEA for my taste but you sure can't argue with their space and effectiveness for living onboard. Wonder what leaded glass cabinet doors and carved wood would look like on one of those?

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Hey guys, do you know what is the biggest difference between a Swedish regatta and an Italian one?




THE NOISE!!!!!

Seriously that was on the 2010 Giraglia that is probably the biggest race on the med at least in the number of participants. Only some months to the 60th edition:

The 60th Giraglia Rolex Cup is organized by the Yacht Club Italiano in collaboration with the Yacht Club de France, the Société Nautique de Saint-Tropez and the Yacht Club Sanremo. The event is run under the supervision of the Federazione Italiana Vela, the Fédération Française de Voile.

The 2012 Giraglia Rolex Cup will be 60th anniversary of the event and the 16th edition to be sponsored by Rolex, which has been a partner of the event since 1997. The 60th Giraglia Rolex Cup comprises a serie of inshore races in the Gulf of Saint-Tropez, followed by a 241nm offshore race via La Giraglia islet, off Corsica, to Sanremo in Italy.


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I don't like the look of that seat hatch opening into the interior of the boat like that. It looks pretty vulnerable to water boarding from the stern - the lower lip is barely above the cockpit sole.

In a situation like that I'd want a proper hatch type entry into the "bosun's locker".

Or am I missing something?
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I guess you mean the cat behind that blue "thing"

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I don't like the look of that seat hatch opening into the interior of the boat like that. It looks pretty vulnerable to water boarding from the stern - the lower lip is barely above the cockpit sole.

In a situation like that I'd want a proper hatch type entry into the "bosun's locker".

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Hard to say, never been inside the Vision 46. That would have to do with the downflooding angle of the boat but I would bet that it is a good one.

If you are talking about the very rare possibility of a roll and staying upside down, the possibility of water coming that way is common to almost all boats that have a bigge side locker (with only one cabin on the back). If you want to make that compartment water tight it would be possible but expensive. To be water tight ypu would have to eliminate the possibility of accessing it by the interior of the boat and that is a huge disadvantage in what concerns living aboard.

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Back to boat stability:..

Obviously the Dynamic stability counts for much in the capacity a boat has to resist capsizing and contrary to a very popular opinion I don’t think it has nothing to do with the roll moment of inertia, or the boat mass. If it had, the Miniclass racers or the light OVNI (with little inertia) would be boats that would be easily capsized.

It has all to do with the way a boat dissipates the energy of a breaking wave:

if the boat transform all that energy in a rolling movement (tripping on the keel) the chances are that the boat will capsize. If the boat can dissipate the energy of the wave in a kinetic movement (sliding laterally) the chances are that the boat can resist capsizing.

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There are other factors that contribute to dynamic stability and I don't think that one is the more important. Really important is everything that contributes to dissipate the wave energy in kinetic lateral movement and detrimental is everything that contributes to transform that energy in a rotational movement.

I would say that the main factors that contribute to allow the dissipation of energy through a lateral movement are a small area of submersed surface, a small freeboard and a big righting moment (not necessarily at big angles of heel because when boats slide sideways in a wave the heel is not much) and a low inertia.

Regarding inertia and roll moment of inertia, let’s consider two boats with the same positive area under the RM curve, and therefore needing the same energy to be capsized. One is a long keeler, small draft, narrow heavy weight boat the other one is a beamy light boat with a big draft and all the ballast on a bulb at the end of a fin keel.

As I had said before the dynamic behavior of these boats when hit by a breaking wave will be very different in what regards the capacity to dissipate the wave energy moving sideways, but let’s consider that the full keeler would not trip in its keel, that the extra surface would not have a damping effect on the rotational movement and that the low mass and small under water surface would not permit the lighter boat to move much more easily sideways.

Let’s consider that the same amount of energy of the wave that hits the boats results in a rotational movement for both boats.Both boats require the same energy to be capsized so in what regards the results (capsizing or not) the effect would be the same but the kind of movement due to inertia would be very different.

The heavier boat would start to roll much more slowly but because it has much more inertia once started the rolling movement it would be much harder to stop it. On the lighter boat the roll movement will be faster but will be also stopped faster because the inertia is much smaller. Both boats will roll to the same point but the duration of the roll movement (to capsize at 90º and back to its feet) will be much longer on the heavier boat.

We could say that the slower movement is a more comfortable one but the fact is that in what regards seaworthiness the heavier boat will be much more time deeply heeled, exposing its side much longer to another breaking wave that will catch him with little stability left and therefore will have potentiated effects, resulting probably in a capsize.

That’s why I think roll moment of inertia is not a determinant factor in Dynamic stability and that its effect in Dynamic stability effectiveness is many times hugely overrated.


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I have said that probably we would get some very good images on the Volvp Ocean race when they would get to that zone with 40K winds and more than 20ft wave.

Here they are, with the boats going at the limit trying to beat the 24 hours speed record. Speed does not bring comfort to those guys, but what a thrill I bet they are loving it



Camper took the lead to Groupama but it seems they were pushing the boat too much. They sustained damages with 50K winds and have slowed down for repairs. Groupama is leading again.

Great sailing, great racing. On this conditions they cannot push boats to where they can go, they have to push them only to the limit before breakage and that is a very difficult thing to do, I mean find that limit , staying close to it without never going over it.

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Ive been taking a closer look at some daysailers lately for Lake Ontario. I find some of the NA daysailers to be pretty traditional in design (e33, Alerions) and expensive realtively compared to the ones in Europe like the Tarac 33,Dinamica, Sensei etc.
Anyway I came across this boat lol





BTW Paulo, my stepdad said I could visit him this fall and hed take me to the Genova boat show so Ive been eyeing the Comet 26, something I can afford.

1974 CC 27

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Hi Chimbatete

That was the Kaidoz, back in 2008/2009 it raised a lot of interest but in the end not many boats were sold and the boat is not made anymore. It was an innovative concept, but I never did like it very much. However it was a good sailing boat.

Here you can see an interesting video about it (the second one is better).

Bateau de l


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Nice to know you are going to Genova even if Genova is mostly a motor boat show with some Italian sailing boats. The Comet 26 is a nice boat but they don't have an American dealer. You are going to ship the boat to the US?



Why not a First 25.7? That one you can buy there.

First 25.7 S / First / Sailing Yachts - BENETEAU







And perhaps you can even get a First 27.7 for the price of the Comet?







Have fun. While you don't have a boat at least you can dreaming about it

I think they are replacing the 27.7 (not on Benetau site anymore). The 27.7 is a great boat, perhaps you can have an huge discount in some boat they still have in stock.

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