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Funny I was just looking at older first series from Beneteau. Most of the 30Es are in Europe and there's a few here same boat but it's First 32. I think they are perfect for the lakes for round the cans and cruising. Those Euro boats though are something else its sad that they don't have dealers. I will look at the first 27 thanks. Speaking of the new first 30, how come I couldn't find much about its performance. It seems like the buzz has died down quite a bit.

Dont know if this is a new boat but its a beauty. Dehler 35SQ

I was looking at the Transquadra and noticed a few Dehlers placing well. That was a surprise because I didnt expect to see it along with Pogos, JPKs, Archambaults and SF3200 since I thought it would be more like a Salona, Finflyer type with nicer interiors.




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Yes the Dehler 35 is a great boat and it is only new because it has now a two whell setup, the rest is just the same. And yes, the Dehler belongs to the same kind of boats you have mentioned (Salona, FinnFlyer) and it is a fast boat specially upwind.

By the way, talking about Salona I had a look at the Salona 38 test sail by my favorite Magazine, the German “Yacht”. You can buy the test on line but since you can get it for free on the Salona site I hope they don’t mind If I post one image of that test:



Great, isn’t? The title on the photo: Strong performance:
Do you want and Yacht just to sail fast or to race? The Salona 38 can do both.


They say very well about the boat, its looks, its functionality and its building quality.

About the performance and the measured speeds take a look:



Well, I did not manage to own this one, but still think it is a great performance cruiser, and satisfies me that the magazine that I consider to make more objective test sails think about the same.

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Yes Paulo, I was looking at some used Salona 34 and they are still pricey ($140k avg.) and all in Europe. They are an awesome boat with a nice interior and fast on all points as you posted. Ive noticed that when they (euro boats)do have a dealer here in Canada like the Archambault, the price is abit more. Do they factor in the shipping to the price? Ive been going crazy and going to all the boatshows but its a bit limited here.

Remember the Euro boat of the year 2011 nominees you posted? Remember the special category, one of the nominees is Tarac 33, well I looked into it and wow what a goodlooking daysailer with some room down to boot. Thats like a dream boat for me.


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That Comet reminds me a lot of the old Morgan 27 MORC boat from the early 70's.

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Yes Chimbatete, the Tarac is a beautiful boat and that video is a nice one, thanks for posting.

Regarding the Salona 34 you are exagerating on the price:

http://www.salonayachts.com/en/broke...ats/s34-1.html

But if you or your family is interested in one of those to take to Canada I guess you can have a new 35 almost for that price, I mean with a huge discount.

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JonB, I did not know the Morgan 27 but it seems a very modern boat for its time and I can understand what you mean: They probably represented the same approach separated by 35 years, but the hull and the underwater appendices have little in common. Take a look:











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Yes Chimbatete, the Tarac is a beautiful boat and that video is a nice one, thanks for posting.

Regarding the Salona 34 you are exagerating on the price:

Salona 34 - Salona Yachts

But if you or your family is interested in one of those to take to Canada I guess you can have a new 35 almost for that price, I mean with a huge discount.

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JonB, I did not know the Morgan 27 but it seems a very modern boat for its time and I can understand what you mean: They probably represented the same approach separated by 35 years, but the hull and the underwater appendices have little in common. Take a look:











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Yes, I figured the Comet would be a lot lighter and have much more radical fins - actually I was surprised the Comets keel shape was as similar as it was to the Morgan - I would have expected a deeper, more vertical, bulbed keel, not a swept fin. I was just surprised that such a contemporary boat could be so reminiscent of a 40 year old boat. I think their target market is (was) probably much the same as well - generally younger and after performance far more than comfort.

Thanks for the pics - I like it a lot.

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... - I would have expected a deeper, more vertical, bulbed keel, not a swept fin. I was just surprised that such a contemporary boat could be so reminiscent of a 40 year old boat. I think their target market is (was) probably much the same as well - generally younger and after performance far more than comfort.
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That is the swing keel:



The boat can also come with a foil with a fixed torpedo keel, the kind you would expect on this boat

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Great images. Those are really big breaking waves

Outstanding the speed that this boats can return to its feet after being capsized, even with a lot of sail out That was a double hit, if the boat had a lot of inertia (a lot of weight for the same RM) and was still capsized when it was hit by the second wave, the story could be other. We can also see clearly the boat going sideways and rotating dissipating with movement the wave energy (look at the clouds) otherwise than with a rolling movement.

Other impressive image. Great racing:



Volvo Ocean Race 2011-2012 | Race Data Center

Groupama is holding on in the lead making no mistakes. At almost the same speed and second now is Puma, at about 50NM. More big wave and high winds on the next 6 hours.

Camper is out of the race: It is going to Chile to repair the bow damage. Lots of damages in the bows. It seems the designers have to review the calculations on that point of the boat. The guys from Grupama said that the damage on their bow happened when they were falling from 8m waves...not once, but many times

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Great sailing video:

Here is Sailing Spoken Here from Sailing Spoken Here on Vimeo.

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