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There was only a Maxi, Swan and Comet Class in the Rolex Capri Sailing Week 2008 so it must be a Comet 41S or a Swan 42. Since the Swan 42 doesn't have a good cruising interior it is a Comet 41S, right? Wow, what a great boat.

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Now that is an impressive first post!

Welcome to the thread and to sailnet.

Yes you are right, it is a Comet 41s.







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Look at this Bongo 9,60 arriving 4th on the Transaquadra. Very nice boat. The Bongo is the mono Keel version of the more known Olea, that is a fast twin keel. I have posted here already about the Olea.

http://www.oleacomposite.com/#


296 Suleika. Maurizzi Sastre. Bongo. 13h53'19" por overlapprod

And look at this couple arriving on a SF 3200. They seem they are just coming back of a day on a nice anchorage. Great style.


293 williwaw por overlapprod
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Now that is an impressive first post!

Welcome to the thread and to sailnet.

Yes you are right, it is a Comet 41s.
Very impressive indeed, Philipp!

I perfectly recognise Paulo in the Comet 41S. A seaworthy design with sleek lines, high quality design, excellent upwind performance and a classic interior.

This one looks very well maintained so you will not need to spend the next few years sanding and varnishing all that woodwork, Paulo .

Crossing fingers for a perfect survey so we can congratulate you very soon!

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From Voiles & Voiliers: we know the French especially like the light and beamy “open” designs, but these get terrible IRC ratings so they are quite useless for handicap racing.
Marsaudon Composites in Lorient decided they wanted to do something about it and recently launched their first MC 34 Patton, named after the associated watchmaker, optimized for IRC.

Have a look at the basic figures:
10.50m (9.15 waterline) x 3.46m x 1.99m
3650 kg (1.900 kg ballast, > 50%!)
67m2 upwind

Estimated TCC is between 1.055 and 1.058

It has an inverted deck line to save weight in the extremities and create a little more headroom below decks without raising the roof too much. But no bulb in the leaded keel and only one pair of spreaders on the carbon mast to reduce the rating.
The hull is composite with glass reinforced infused vinylester and thermoformed foam, painted without a formal gelcoat layer.

At first glance the interior looks quite comfortable for a boat with definite racing ambitions, although the small, centered chart table looks very racy but quite useless.

Add a carbon mast and boom and this light boat will lift you about € 215.000, I presume without sails . But then you also get an personalized Patton clock and watch .

Light but well ballasted and with a sharply chined, beamy hull, this looks like a very powerful design. Wait and see what it will do around the buoys, especially when the prices are handed out .

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Hi Paulo!
I read your post about buying new or old and the VAT issue.
Thinking about buying a new one or a use one - what do you think about buying the number 1 of a new model from a boat yard with a very good reputation (eg X-Yachts, Pogo or so)? One might get attractive discounts in such a case in the range of VAT. This is because not everybody likes to buy a boat nobody could ever test before (not even see it) and usually the number 1 is needed for some marketing tasks within the first months.
If you dont care so much about that it could be a good deal.
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Ulf,
I think if you live close to the yard, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But if you live in the US and the yard is in Croatia, it may be a while before you get a handle on all the baby illnesses, that are going to show up no matter how good the reputation of the yard is. Also, builders usually use hull#1 as a demo at the yard, and then sell it at a good discount after a few years.
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Very impressive indeed, Philipp!

I perfectly recognise Paulo in the Comet 41S. A seaworthy design with sleek lines, high quality design, excellent upwind performance and a classic interior.

This one looks very well maintained so you will not need to spend the next few years sanding and varnishing all that woodwork, Paulo .

Crossing fingers for a perfect survey so we can congratulate you very soon!

Best regards,

Eric
Thanks Eric,

Yes this time is for sure The surveyor had commented with my daughter that the boat had only a problem and that was that he could not find anything wrong and he like to find at least one problem in a boat.

The boat is in pretty good shape, has radar, 2 plotters (one outside), Navtex, webasto heating, rod rigging, mylar sails in very good condition, a 135% genoa never used, geenaker, bowsprit, removable stay, storm reef, 3th reef on the main, two heads and two freezers.

The only thing I have to review is attaching points for harnesses, permanent jacklines and handgrabs. That will be done by the Comet guys probably next winter.

Almost perfect in what I am concerned.

I have signed the contract pay now a part and only finish to pay the boat when it is delivered to me in June. In the meantime the boat is going to stay on the hard. This strange deal has to do with the owner not to have to pay 21% VAT on the rest of the leasing but only half and that means the boat was less expensive for me.

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Hi Paulo!
I read your post about buying new or old and the VAT issue.
Thinking about buying a new one or a use one - what do you think about buying the number 1 of a new model from a boat yard with a very good reputation (eg X-Yachts, Pogo or so)? One might get attractive discounts in such a case in the range of VAT. This is because not everybody likes to buy a boat nobody could ever test before (not even see it) and usually the number 1 is needed for some marketing tasks within the first months.
If you dont care so much about that it could be a good deal.
Ulf
It depends. Many times they have already sold the nº1. They use to make the first boats at a special price and not specially the nº1, unless it is really a very small production shipyard. In the case of Pogo before making any boat they had already had lots of people that signed for the new boat, the same with X-yachts.

I believe that in Spain and Italy you are going to see a lot of boats with the prices coming down. The problem is finding what you want.

I was interested also in a Salona 41, 2011 with high specification, a show boat from the Dutch dealer. I offered 180 000€ and they lowered the price to 200 000€, VAT included. This is a practically new boat that would cost close to 300 000€ new. This can give you an idea of the way the market is right now and I believe it is going to be even worse, or better, depending if you are buying or selling

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Congratulations to your new boat, Paulo!

For the purchase of a No1 I now remember that Fora offered such a discount even for the first 3 RM1260.

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Yes this time is for sure The surveyor had commented with my daughter that the boat had only a problem and that was that he could not find anything wrong and he like to find at least one problem in a boat.

The boat is in pretty good shape, has radar, 2 plotters (one outside), Navtex, webasto heating, rod rigging, mylar sails in very good condition, a 135% genoa never used, geenaker, bowsprit, removable stay, storm reef, 3th reef on the main, two heads and two freezers.

The only thing I have to review is attaching points for harnesses, permanent jacklines and handgrabs. That will be done by the Comet guys probably next winter.

Almost perfect in what I am concerned.
Congratulations Paulo!
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