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Pasha a William C. Frank design.

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New boat:

and what a boat, one of the most interesting performance cruisers of the last years, born and built on the other side of the world in NZ where they are not many but are very good at least in what regards sailing and sailing boats.

The boat is a 55ft designed by Botin Carkeek Yacht Design, the Project was managed by Steve Marten, formerly of Marten Yachts and built by Llyoid Stevenson.

Some months ago I had read a test sail by a NZ sail magazine and they said wonders about the boat and now it was the time of the conservative Yachting world to be impressed too.

The boat can make downwind with over 25K wind 19K. With 25K wind at 135º makes 16.5K. With the same angle and only with 10K wind makes 9.3K.
With 10K close to the wind makes 8.2K and with 25K wind at only 34º makes 9.1K.

This is a boat has a good cruising interior and a good tankage: 440L of fuel and 360L of water and that means a considerable load capacity for this type of boat.

Another very interesting characteristic is an hydraulic lifting keel: Down the boat has a 3.9m Draft, up a reasonable 2.3m. The boat weights 12.6T and had a ballast of 3.5T all in a torpedo.





















They say about the boat:


The hull and deck shells, along with all internal structural members, are in carbon fibre and foam cores infused with epoxy resins. Strict quality controls have been utilized to ensure all components are built to specified weight targets.

Powered by a 75hp Yanmar marine diesel engine through a sail drive unit and Gori folding propeller, the M55 is also fitted with a hydraulic lifting keel, traveller, twin backstay rams, boom vang and jib car pullers. The M55 features all electric winches and a retractable bow thruster, a Spectra watermaker is also fitted and the boat utilizes BEP's new C-Zone electrical management system.

A custom hinged carbon fibre anchor arm folds back into the anchor locker to keep the foredeck clear and the retractable prod extends the sail plan 2 metres forward of the stem. Roller furling is utilized for the cruising jib and Code Zero, with all halyards and reef lines run aft under the cabin top to keep the decks clear.

The interior cabinetry is predominantly in a semi-gloss painted finish, with solid walnut timber fiddles inlaid with carbon fibre detailing. The bench tops are Corian, while the interior soles are in solid Bamboo planking over carbon and foam panels.

The cockpit layout incorporates large comfortable seats to each side forward with a drop leaf table on centreline. Aft are twin wheels with adjustable helmsman's foot chocks either side of a large lazarette hatch. The walk through transom with sliding door also incorporates a swim step and custom dinghy davits. The cockpit sole and seat tops are laid with teak decking.

With her race boat construction, carbon rig and rigging from Hall Spars, Harken deck gear and a combination of Doyles windward sails and North Sails gennakers, this yacht promises to provide very competitive racing as well as the ultimate in cruising comfort.



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Re: Interesting Sailboats

After all those beautiful classics, an Akilaria 40 class racer kicking ass in heavy weather sailed by only two guys.
Wind from 30 to 45K, max speed 24K.


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And a J111 going also fast downwind in much less wind (about 15K) but with a full crew:

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Definitely very interesting new boat Jörg Riechers und seine neue "Mare" - Yacht TV
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Very interesting photo of the boat that won the last Transat for 40class racing boats, the boat that G1000 posted while I was doing this post.



Looking at this photo we can see clearly how this hull "works" and the advantages of this type of transom/hull design:

Marked by the water, at black, we can see the more usual hull sailing position that is not very different in shape to the one of a more classical boat, offering little drag.

When the boat goes to the heeling max position (like it is now) it is offered to the water a completely flat horizontal surface that provides a huge resistance to more heel, adding a lot to RM. On a classical boat at this heeling angle the surface offered is a curved one that will not offer any considerable resistance to heeling.

On bigger hell angles we are not sailing anymore, at least in a effective way, but trying to bring the boat up and on these big heeling angles form stability counts not for much. A class40 or a more classical boat will work the same way and it will count on ballast and draft (low CG) to right the boat up.

Some has a idea that a open boat has a huge form stability but a bad reserve stability or a big inverted stability. That is not true. The boat has a huge form stability a very good reserve stability and the proportion between positive stability and the inverted stability is very good by any standards.

Here the stability curve of a Pogo class40: Big AVS, big relation between the positive part of the curve (positive stability) and the negative part (inverted stability) and an overall massive static stability for a 40ft.



Compare that with the typical stability curve of an half-tonner, a popular old offshore racing boat that many consider very seaworthy:



It is also a GZ curve but in Ft while the one from the Pogo is in m. To roughly convert divide the values of the Half-tonner curve by 3.

Both boats have a not very different displacement (3.500kg to about 4000/4500g for a 40class boat).

To join to that very good Pogo static stability the boat has an even better dynamic stability related with its low mass, beam and small underwater area that makes him able to dissipate the energy of a breaking wave with kinetic movement (lateral and rotating on a vertical axis) other than a rotational movement.

These two characteristics make this light boat unusually seaworthy and capable of racing on the sea is really mean, in high latitudes.

Especially for Eric I will post the stability curve of his new boat, the cruising version of a Pogo Class40, the Pogo 12.50:



First an advertency, the Pogo Class40 curve is a GZ curve (length of arm) and this one is a RM curve. To pass from this one to the first one you have to divide each value by the light weight of the Pogo 12.50.

As you can see both curves are not very different and your boat has also a good AVS but most of all a massif righting moment at 90º of heel and a very good relation between the positive stability and the negative stability.

With this information you learn that with the keel up the boat has an AVS of about 100º and you have plenty of positive stability. This means that in settle weather and light winds you can perfectly sail the boat safely in shallow waters. In fact the positive stability of the boat with the keel up is bigger than some of the boats that have capsized on the 1979 Fastnet.

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Never posted about Waarschip boats and very little about Dutch boats. The fact is that the once strong pleasure boat building industry has been decaying for decades and many brands have disappeared or are close to disappear and nothing very interesting happens there, except in what regards very expensive boats.

Waarschip is one of those brands that are making boats for decades, slightly old fashioned, nothing new...till now.

Look at this baby...no it is not a Vor 70




it is the new Waarschip 700LD !!!

and this cozy wooden old boat?





Yes, surprise it is the same boat, they use for the bottom epoxy woodcore sandwich to take care of the large forces from the heavy bulb keel. From the waterline up all construction is traditional Waarschip craftsmanship with mahogany and ply.

Take a look:









They say about the boat:

In the tradition of Waarschip this will be a sporty but well behaved boat. A healthy 55% ballast placed low in a bulb provides plenty of stability. The Waarschip 700 LD is far more stable than the usual sportsboat. This makes the boat ideally suitable for family and shorthanded sailing, you don't need a big an experienced race crew to handle her. Just a fun day out, or sailing a club race with 1 or 2 crew is all perfectly possible without a hassle.

Rig

The rig is 7/8th configuration with an efficient fathead mainsail and no backstay. Both a conventional spinnaker as an asymmetric can be flown from an optional sprit/pole. The rudder is placed under the boat for maximum efficiency, control and feel. The keel is fitted in a trunk and can be removed for easy transport or winter storage.

Interior

Four large bunks with sitting headroom provide accommodation for shelter during a shower or for the occasional sleepover. A chemical toilet can be installed and space is reserved for optional inboard propulsion.


The boat is light with only 1150kg

Some other dimensions: LOA 7.00 BOA 2.50 SA up 32.4 m2 Draft 1.55m

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And that is not the only interesting new from Waarschip, they are also making a very interesting 10m boat, the 10.10, a narrow boat with a big B/D ratio, a boat not like the others around, but a beautiful boat and one that should go upwind like an arrow:






For now they call these two the "racing line" but maybe the influence can get to the very conservative "cruising line" and more interesting things start to happen in Holland in what concerns the boat building industry that was once an important one.


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Vor 70

and Groupama with its jury rig made it to the finish line in 3th. Chapeau!

The rig is really funny Groupama is now jus "pama" or at least is what fits in the short sail.



And it has a lot of stays:



Now they have time to mount a proper mast and be back on the race. They are second at 20 points from the Spanish (147 to 127).

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Spi Ouest

After some days without weak winds the last day of the Spi Ouest had again nice conditions and the J111 race gave some great images:

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