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This is the Soto 40 designed by Javier Soto, from Argentina. Now is the top racer class in South America. This is a One Design class. The biggest fleet is the Chilean, and this weekend they raced the first part of the South American Championship in Con Con, Chile, next stop will be in Brasil and then in Argentina.


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[QUOTE=DiasDePlaya;858980]This is the Soto 40 designed by Javier Soto, from Argentina. Now is the top racer class in South America. This is a One Design class. The biggest fleet is the Chilean, and this weekend they raced the first part of the South American Championship in Con Con, Chile, next stop will be in Brasil and then in Argentina.

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Yes Soto 40 is one of the most interesting 40ft racers around, fast and inexpensive and Soto Acerbal is one of the best Na around.

Javier Soto Acebal Yacht Design

Some month ago I have made a detailed post on the Soto 40. They are not only popular on SA but in Europe where they race the Audi med cup (Soto 40 and TP 52) and the 2012 European championship will be an international one that counts with a Porthuguese boat.

New faces in the Soto 40 European Championship | Soto40.org

The boat was one of the first to have that inverted hull on the top, a characteristic that I bet we are going to see increasingly in racing boats before passing to performance cruisers. It has some interesting properties, mot only augmenting stability at limit sailing angles but also providing a drier boat.

Some more movies, the first one in Cascais, Portugal, and the second one...well you will see...fast boats...and strong no doubt



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Fantastic news on the AC45 America's Cup series: New Italian team, a great name on past editions, Luna Rossa, first race...and an overall victory on the fleet race...Uau!!!

That should bring some more interest to the Cup


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You might be suprised to hear, that I actually like some modern designs, I am just not a huge fan of the current crop of production boats that are built with dockside condo ideas, rather than the reality of sailing.
If I could afford it, I would opt for the HR 372 ( which I had the opportunity to sail, and totally impressed me both from the aspect of buildquality and performance.) or the XP 38. I also like your fav, the Salona 38, but found that it was not too far from the HR in price when equipped equally, and they also have no representation in the US (which is supposedly changing soon).
So, then you have a huge $gap down to the Jeanneaus, Beneteaus etc., but after looking closely one finds shortcuts, poor materials and ideas that cut corners in boatbuilding to arrive at the very attractive pricing they offer. Not for me....
There is however one boat, that would work for me on many points, where the euro styling is more subdued , the layout is sensible and the performance is acceptable even for Paulo , well maybe.... The Dehler 35.
Next year, I will not be missing Duesseldorf....
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You might be suprised to hear, that I actually like some modern designs, I am just not a huge fan of the current crop of production boats that are built with dockside condo ideas, rather than the reality of sailing.
If I could afford it, I would opt for the HR 372 ( which I had the opportunity to sail, and totally impressed me both from the aspect of buildquality and performance.) or the XP 38. I also like your fav, the Salona 38, but found that it was not too far from the HR in price when equipped equally, and they also have no representation in the US (which is supposedly changing soon).
So, then you have a huge $gap down to the Jeanneaus, Beneteaus etc., but after looking closely one finds shortcuts, poor materials and ideas that cut corners in boatbuilding to arrive at the very attractive pricing they offer. Not for me....
There is however one boat, that would work for me on many points, where the euro styling is more subdued , the layout is sensible and the performance is acceptable even for Paulo , well maybe.... The Dehler 35.
Next year, I will not be missing Duesseldorf....
You are wrong about the Salona 38 price when compared with the HR 372. There is a really big difference.

Regarding the Jeanneaus and company, well they have shortcuts, but if you chose well it will be not in anything fundamental to sailing or safety. I have a friend that says that those boats come not completely finnished, you have to finish them and have work with them...but they are affordable.

Yes the Dehler 35 is a great boat but I think the Salona 35 is better. Regarding the price of Salonas they are slightly below the price of Dehlers (but with better materials), slightly more expensive than the First and almost the same as a Dufour performance...and believe me, I know

You are also wrong about the Salona 38 being my preferred boat. It is my almost affordable boat. I will prefer a XP-38 over the Salona 38, but that is the one that is an almost similar price to a HR 372 that is also a great boat and even if not as fast as a Salona or a XP, it is surprisingly fast.

Tell me when you go to Dusseldorf and if we meet the beer is on me.

Some images of a XP38 racing:



And the same race aboard a A31:



And aboard a Swan 42:


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Paulo, thanks for really interesting article. Probably you have already seen, but I will post for everyone interested
Volvo Ocean Race 2011-2012 | The big debate - skippers comment on Leg 5 attrition

Few days ago Maxi11 "reborn" as Project11 and several new renderings published. Looks like a dead cat bounce


After all we were wrong, or at least I think so!!! This beauty is probably going to be built and Maxi is going to reborn. Maxy yacht was bought by DELPHIA. The humble ones are buying the rich ones

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I have already posted about the DCNS the new Hydroptere project an incredibly beautiful sailing boat, at least to my eyes.
Now some more images in a movie and as a bonus, the Hydroptere story:


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You will find further information and pictures at the website of the german offshore owner association:
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You are wrong about the Salona 38 price when compared with the HR 372. There is a really big difference.


Yes the Dehler 35 is a great boat but I think the Salona 35 is better. Regarding the price of Salonas they are slightly below the price of Dehlers (but with better materials), slightly more expensive than the First and almost the same as a Dufour performance...and believe me, I know


Tell me when you go to Dusseldorf and if we meet the beer is on me.
About the price differrence: I come up with around 185000 E for the Salona and about 235000 E for the HR 372, same equipm. both commissioned at the yard. Yes there maybe about 50k E differrence , but when it comes to resale, the HR will retain its value better than a Salona, at least in the US.
I will take a close look at the Salona models in Duesseldorf next year, they have a lot of features I find positive, SS hull reinforcements, etc.
I will definetly take you up on the beer. Sounds like the trip is almost going to pay for itself in beer...
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