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It looks amazingly like a flattened sponge.

All in the eye of the beholder, no doubt, but a far cry from the stunning futurism of L'Hydroptère.
Yes, but a fast sponge. especially downwind.
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It looks amazingly like a flattened sponge.

All in the eye of the beholder, no doubt, but a far cry from the stunning futurism of L'Hydroptère.
Well, I have to say that I don't like the look but these is the kind of research that makes the boat design knowledge evolve. Have a look at the underwater wet surface on this picture:



and you will see that the bath tube kind of bow provide a nicer and cleaner underwater shape.

This type of bow on the radical way it is proposed on these boats will have problems going upwind, providing a uncomfortable motion and it will not be suited to cruising boats but it will contribute to the knowledge in what regards bow design and to better and more efficient bows even for cruising boats.

I mean after this the idea that an absolutely sharp bow is the best and only way to get performance will not stand and we will begin to see more rounded bows.

As I have said the funny thing is that it is not a new thing. Older boats from other centuries, even the fast ones, had more rounded bows and ancient treaties recommended them as the right way to have a good and fast boat.

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Paulo, no doubt.
And, I am in no position to judge design considerations. Though your post did cause me to contemplate the Airbus, an actual bus, and the barge, in terms of bows. Oh, and Thor Heyerdahl's RA II Please check out the sea motion in
. Any thoughts, compared to modern yacht design? One of the more interesting sailboats, and sailors, to have roamed the seas ...

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Paulo, no doubt.
And, I am in no position to judge design considerations. Though your post did cause me to contemplate the Airbus, an actual bus, and the barge, in terms of bows. Oh, and Thor Heyerdahl's RA II Please check out the sea motion in ...
No, not really, nice movie.

That is a supposedly replica of a very primitive boat. Even 3500 old Phoenicians boats would be very modern compared to that. Regarding to motion, the boat is not sailing but stopped, bouncing in the waves, nothing to do with a motion of a modern boat while sailing.

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Re: Interesting Sailboats

That's true, it's just bouncing around. I think there's a better video somewhere. I'm OT I realize, yet such boats are interestingly radical, if in a manner completely different than what new technology brings. Thanks for posting about such interesting boats yourself, I've learned a lot and sometimes been amazed by what's been built, like the new beachable steel hulls, and Capado.

"What did the Ra Expeditions prove? Did it actually prove that the Egyptians or some other group of travelers with reed boats reached the Americas in ancient times? Of course not. What it did though, was to demonstrate that boats of this sort, with a wide ancient international distribution, were certainly capable and seaworthy, thus putting a damper on the notion that ancient people did not have the means to cross the oceans. One could argue that in terms of survivability, the reed boat is equal, if not better, to most any boat used by Europeans during the early centuries of exploration." http://www.plu.edu/~ryandp/RAX.html

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..Thanks for posting about such interesting boats yourself, I've learned a lot and sometimes been amazed by what's been built, like the new beachable steel hulls...
They are not new (30 or 40 year's old) and they are made of aluminum Some of the most known voyagers like Jimmy Cornell circumnavigated in them. In fact he recommends that type of boat for extensive voyaging. Once I meet a guy that had circumnavigated 3 time on one.

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"What did the Ra Expeditions prove? Did it actually prove that the Egyptians or some other group of travelers with reed boats reached the Americas in ancient times? Of course not. What it did though, was to demonstrate that boats of this sort, with a wide ancient international distribution, were certainly capable and seaworthy, thus putting a damper on the notion that ancient people did not have the means to cross the oceans. One could argue that in terms of survivability, the reed boat is equal, if not better, to most any boat used by Europeans during the early centuries of exploration." ...
I followed that trip in direct and with emotion. It was a great adventure. But I would not say that boat is as seaworthy and safe has for instance a Portuguese Caravela. They could make that voyage because the current and the winds push ten in that direction. That boat cannot navigate against the wind.

The breakthrough with the Portuguese Caravela that is also called discovery ship, was that it could effectively sail against the wind. It was by far for many years the boat with the bigger pointing ability and therefore more adapted to explorations where the winds where not known.



Caravel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After the winds were mapped they sailed those routes not with Caravelas but with ships with big rounded sails (not latin sails) kind of ancient spinnakers, downwind boats that were capable of fully exploiting the trade winds:





Carrack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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New Contest yacht

Contest yachts seems not to be touched by the crisis: after anouncing a short time back this new 42ft (that I don't find very pretty),



they announced a new 72ft and they are already building it



I like more this one but it is not a mach in what beauty concerns to the Italian boats of this size. They really need to have such an high freeboard on a boat with this size?

http://www.contestyachts.com/media/3...atures72cs.pdf
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I have said that if somebody needs to ask the price it is not going to buy this boat

The price is just huge, 220500€ for the basic price with this specifications:

http://www.richardbaldwinyachts.com/...e-37-specs.pdf

The specifications are good but nothing special. If you buy a Salona 38 with the performance, comfort and basic package you will get a boat with higher specifications for almost less 50000€.

For superior specifications I mean: Same mast brand but higher range model (three spreaders), rod on the rig (option on the Solaris), Carbon spinnaker pole (on the Solaris even the aluminium one is optional), stainless steel grid to take the forces of the shrouds and keel (on the Solaris, reinforcements in e glass fiber), Epoxy based resins (Solaris resins are not epoxy), three blade folding propeller (2 blade fixed one in the Solaris), Dracon sails (that can be upgraded), no sails included on the Solaris.

I bet that you can upgrade the Solaris to the Salona specifications but then the Solaris price would be a lot more than 220500€ and the difference to the Salona much bigger. In fact, now that difference is bigger because Salona is offering an introductory price on the 38 and that means about less 30 000€ on that Salona upgrated version, and that means a difference of 80000€ to a lower specification Solaris 37.

That was what I mean. You don't buy a Solaris for the price or specifications but out of passion and for its impeccable finish

Regarding the Solaris 37 I have to say that besides the price I also don't like the interior, I mean those fashionable white cabinets that are trendy on this moment in Italy (they are similar to the ones from the new CS 39). The problem with fashions is that they go away rely quick and you end up with a boat out of fashion in no time I prefer the wood interior of the Salona (in what regards design) even if I am sure they can put you wood cabinets, as on previous Solaris models but that, I am sure, it will mean more money in extras

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Take a look at what I mean. this is the new Solaris 37 interior:





This is the interior of a bigger Solaris but with wood:





Some more photos of the Solaris 37:















The Solais 37 is a very beautiful boat and a boat that resembles a lot with the Salona 38, except that this one has the keel I want on the Salona and a slightly better designed transom (for my taste).

But on the other hand the Salona will be a lot faster: It was more 10m2 of sail area and weights less 800kg probably due to its epoxy based hull.

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The the keel of the Salona is 500kg less.
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Salona 38 - Solaris 37

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The the keel of the Salona is 500kg less.
????What do you mean? Where do you got those 500kg?

On the Solaris they give a ballast of 2400kg on the Salona they give a ballast of 2270kg.

The Salona 38 weights 600kg less so it needs less ballast for the same effect.

I don't know on each boat to what keel configuration corresponds that ballast but I know that on the Salona they will make a special keel with the ballast you want for 5000 € more than the normal lead keel. It can be one like the one on the Solaris or a hi-tech one designed by Jason Ker and maximized for handicap racing.



And even discounting those 5000€ a top specifications Salona with far superior specifications than a standard Solaris 37 will cost less 45 000€.

Don’t get me wrong, if you have the money and appreciate the top quality of the interior have a top specifications Solaris 37. It will probably not be as fast as a Salona 38 but it is a hell of a boat and the difference should be really very small, negligible for cruising.

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Racing Figaro II: AG2R

the transat is on again. Raced on FigaroII an duo crews the AG2R celebrates its 20 anniversary with a great race. Just look at the images:











and as usual Morvan is on the lead

Transat AG2R La Mondiale 2012


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