Originally Posted by Chimbatete
Two questions on those A40 boats for sale. (understand that Im relatively new to sailing) First of all they are beautiful boats and would fit the need of 99% of those who race around the cans and regattas. Inside they are beautiful too.
Do you think that these boats are at a good discount because they are not as fast as the new boats like you say or is it because theyve been raced hard?
Second, wouldnt a fast boat like the A27 be racing under ratings? I have read that some boats are too penalized for racing that they would require high levels of sailing to win.
If you really want to win on handicap on club racing probably you should look for some easy old boat with a low rating, I don't know. Personally I would not give a dam about that and would be interested in finishing first in real time among boats of that size and in middle of much bigger boats and it seems that start's to be a tendency.
Besides this boat will teach you how to sail, I mean in a boat like this all trims count and this boat has an huge trimming possibility.
Regarding the boat to be worm out after racing I guess each case is a case but I can give you a generic opinion about what I have saw in the search of my cruising boat even if I never saw an used A40. Never saw one because that boat in what regards the interior is more naked than what I wanted. Like the Pogo it only has a door on the head and the galley is small for living aboard for a long time, I mean, at least with my wife that likes to cook (and I don't mind about that
). That would be the kind of boat that I would have if I lived alone and sailed solo or with some friends.
Regarding boats used almost exclusively for racing I saw one J 133 from 2004, two Dufour 40 performance from 2007 and an 2007 Comet 41s Racing. These were boats with only one owner and used for serious racing and no cruising.
All shared some characteristics, the rigging and the running rigging, the winches all was very good and on top conditions, in some cases with many upgrades from a regular boat, like 3 speed manual winches and other stuff.
Almost all boats had the standard set of sails as new and some had an huge sail inventory with very expensive sails in very good condition.
The interior even if clearly not used for cruising (on more than one boat the stove had never been used) showed signs of racing use, I mean steps wear, little marks a bit everywhere, nothing big but things that my wife would not have accepted.
I guess we can divide this type of boats in two categories in what regards use: The ones that were seriously raced by a top team and the ones that are older and have already known several owners.
The first ones will be probably in tip top conditions: You don't imagine the money these guys give for winning big time
. Nothing is spared to make the boat faster so everything should and is normally perfect. To give you an Idea of the money these guys spend, some years ago when I saw that J133, I tried to lower the price and the dealer said that he was sure the owner would not accept because the sail inventory had a value almost as big as the boat itself
The second ones were like that once before being bought by budget sailors that wanted a boat for club racing and the chances is that when they sell them they will not be in perfect conditions and will need some money spent in sails, and in rigging.
I believe the first ones are the ones that is worth to look for. The money you are paying for them is probably 1/3 of the money the boat and sails had costed them five or seven years ago and you can bet the sails only are one or two years old and that the running rigging was already replaced and is probably 3 years old, or less.
If you don't have a wife pointing to all that small interior imperfections, it is the best deal you can have for a fast cruising boat.