I have been looking at the Pogo 30 as well, I guess I have to wait until it´s finished. On the pictures it appears to lack cockpit backrests, which might be a safety concern with the kids. But they are nice boats, aren´t they!
I hope Eric will share some more experiences from the 12.50. I´d be really interested in how the boat performes in flat water and at what windspeeds it will start planing without the help of surfing.
If any boat would collapse as quickly as any PC crashes, there would be no more boatyards. But since I much prefer a world without PC’s than one without boats, I’m still very happy
. Really sorry about the pictures and the video delay, I will post them as soon as I have a well configured and sufficiently performing PC again. And a good YouTube coach
Checking out the JPK 38, I like it. Although they have now dismissed the swinging keel option and replaced it with twin keels, the fixed keel still being the standard configuration.
This confirms my overall impression that the profile of this first JPK cruiser is more towards Malango and even RM than Pogo. With an “American style” longitudinal kitchen, more cosy interior design, panoramic roof windows, lower S/D ratio and less powerful hull, everything else also points this way.
If you’re seeking a multihull-like performance and the advantages of a monohull, I’m afraid you will need both a Bénéteau Sense (catamaran feeling at anchor or in port) and a Pogo-like design (multihull feeling when sailing). Concerning speed almost any trimaran will fly by almost any comparable monohull, but concerning comfort the difference will be as huge in the other way.
Since you are looking for a compromise (aren’t we all?) and you will be sailing mostly in light winds and calm seas, no need for any concern about flat bottoms, light displacements and/or large sails. On the contrary, you have the ideal conditions to fully enjoy this kind of boat design.
We don’t, because our sailing area is the English Channel and the North Sea, where choppy seas and very variable wind conditions prevail. Nevertheless, we are very happy with the Pogo 12.50.
Of course it doesn’t like to be sailed close hauled, but a little bearing down is sufficient to make everything quite comfortable and with a very correct VMG, even in strong wind-upon current conditions.
The common statement that this kind of boats can not perform upwind is therefore very relative. What is lost in pointing will be made good in speed. As soon as we have finished calibrating all the instruments, I will document this with hard figures.
And, once again, anything from a close to a broad reach is very rewarding.
With as little as 12 knots of true wind you can start playing the game: pointing a little to build up apparent wind speed, and then bearing down the minimum to hold on to a good apparent wind angle and keep on planing.
With following 3m seas it was quite easy to surf above 20 knots. But the next weekend we were again in full planing mode, in comparable wind conditions and at a top speed of 18 knots. Without waves to surf on, since this time the swell was only 1m and coming ahead.
I agree with Paulo that this kind of sailing demands some feeling, both at the helm and at the traveller. Especially the big fat-headed mainsail is very sensible, but also very rewarding to trim. With a well-designed deck lay-out and high-spec hardware this is quite an easy job.
Although we are basically dinghy sailors, we don’t think the 12.50 demands anything but good basic sailing skills. Even pushed, the boat never felt out of control and even in 40+ gusts everything always kept perfectly manageable. So I don’t think she could not also be easily sailed short- or even single handed, although I prefer a little more training before trying this myself. But I certainly will do, knowing this is what Pogo’s are basically designed for.
After trying the 10.50 for one week and now having the 12.50 for four weeks I once again agree with Paulo that both are very similar in character. The 12.50 is a cruising version of their latest open 40 class racer while the 10.50 has been specifically designed as a performance cruiser, so the 12.50 is somewhat more powerful. But let there be no doubt, the 10.50 is also a very exciting boat!
In my honest opinion, the difference is mainly about size, especially inside. More space, more headroom and most importantly a whole lot more capacity to carry the extra weight for all our cruising gear, without compromising performance too much because of a lot of extra available volume.
Otherwise the design is very similar, with a quite basic looking but in fact very practical interior for both the 10.50 and 12.50. “De gustibus et coloribus non est disputandum” but in both cases it works very well.
At least once you’ve accepted boats don’t necessarily have to look like a Swiss chalet and that the absence of counter mouldings is in fact very handy for both cleaning and maintenance,
All these pro's and con's are evenly valuable for the forthcoming and much awaited Pogo 30 and I also refer to Paulo's recent post. His comments about boat design and architecture are always a delight.
So once again, it is all about compromises and making the right choices.
For myself and after a first 800 NM in very different conditions, I have no more doubt about both the performance, comfort and security of this kind of boat. But “the proof of the pudding is in the eating”, so first try for yourself!